Max 4 Live runtime: For your advantage (Ableton/Max) & mine

[squelcht]

Either if it were free or for a small negotiable fee, a runtime would be superb. I know we've argued this idea plenty of times over now & I'm not bitching FTR, just expressing myself. It would easily make better odds for users to upgrade/purchase to the real deal editable M4L, open the windows for a new crowd of Live users to come forth & purchase a Ableton licence & also to let already Live users make the most out of their current Ableton DAW experience. Hell for all I know they can already be working on this ( v8.5?? ) Regular Max had a runtime & proved to be quite successful---Surely a M4L runtime isn't a huge stone throw away from the same concept?

[blackboab]

absolutely.

[davepermen]

i can't select both?



why both? because it would be great, and because it was discussed enough times, and hinted from ableton that they do have plans for it, it just takes some time.

[Obineg]

i can't select both?



why both? because it would be great, and because it was discussed enough times, and hinted from ableton that they do have plans for it, it just takes some time.

Where was that hinted by Ableton ?

I don't think there will ever be a runtime , because most users just wan't to play with m4l patches and aren't deep into programming and Ableton and Cycling 74 have to have some way of recovering R&D costs . . .

But wishing doesn't hurt , does it ?

[Khazul]

A runtime version should be made availabel for an extortionate fee. The proceeds of which to be split between ableton, cycling and those of us who write M4L plugins

Goddamn freeloaders!

[ethios4]

I don't think there will ever be a runtime , because most users just wan't to play with m4l patches and aren't deep into programming and Ableton and Cycling 74 have to have some way of recovering R&D costs...

Actually, that's the best reason for a runtime right there. Most users don't want the deep programming, they just want to be able to use the patches. Ableton/Cycling74 are missing out on revenue by not offering a cheap runtime. I know I won't be buying M4L, but I would buy a reasonably priced runtime. And by reasonably priced I mean something around $25-$75.

[davepermen]

i can't select both?



why both? because it would be great, and because it was discussed enough times, and hinted from ableton that they do have plans for it, it just takes some time.

Where was that hinted by Ableton ?

I don't think there will ever be a runtime , because most users just wan't to play with m4l patches and aren't deep into programming and Ableton and Cycling 74 have to have some way of recovering R&D costs . . .

But wishing doesn't hurt , does it ?

somewhere in the forum

[gusc]

I know I won't be buying M4L, but I would buy a reasonably priced runtime. And by reasonably priced I mean something around $25-$75.

This price sounds delicious to my ears, I can't spend 250EUR thease days

[hoffman2k]

Will someone please think of the max patchers?

Why not let Ableton and Cycling improve both their products for a while? So we can skip the topics of how much the lack of xxxx support sucks. Some features are only just falling into place. Many more to follow before we can make real user-friendly solutions. Which they would have to be to go into the wild.
And with the current goal of having a stable Live, it wouldn't make much sense to let the forum be flooded with bug reports for max patches which neither Ableton or Cycling can help with.

This comes from a guy who wants to share lots of devices, but really isn't up to the task of writing about all the workarounds involved to use them. User-friendly in my book is something you can use without a manual. That is pretty much out of the question for any devices that currently require MIDI workarounds.
I'm sure a runtime will pop up. But I'm also sure it won't be before Ableton did some big changes to Live. Unless they're suicidal...

[Dexes]

i can't select both?



why both? because it would be great, and because it was discussed enough times, and hinted from ableton that they do have plans for it, it just takes some time.

Where was that hinted by Ableton ?

http://forum.ableton.com/viewtopic.php? ... 3#p1068053

There are no plans to release a runtime version of Max for Live in the immediate future.

I don't think there will ever be a runtime , because most users just wan't to play with m4l patches and aren't deep into programming and Ableton and Cycling 74 have to have some way of recovering R&D costs...

Actually, that's the best reason for a runtime right there. Most users don't want the deep programming, they just want to be able to use the patches. Ableton/Cycling74 are missing out on revenue by not offering a cheap runtime. I know I won't be buying M4L, but I would buy a reasonably priced runtime. And by reasonably priced I mean something around $25-$75.

Exactly! I could afford Max4Live if I wanted to. But I know if I purchase it I'll just sit here hour on hour, day after day learning how to build some devices that I simply don't need and in the process waste a load of time I could spend actually making music. But there are a few devices (well actually 1, the launchpad stepsequencer I was bitching about in the thread I linked) that I would really Like, but (a) it's just not worth €250 and (b) as allready mentioned, I don't want to get sucked into the trap of spending all my free time building devices and then have no time to actually use them. Maybe somewhere down the line I might feel the need to adapt a device to suit my needs, or combine ideas from different devices and then upgrade to the full version. But as long as there's no chance of using a runtime version (whether free or cheep) none of my money will be going down that route.

[ethios4]

Why not let Ableton and Cycling improve both their products for a while?

Works for me. I'm in no big hurry...got lots of music to work on. I would like a M4L runtime at some point, and I'd even love buying M4L patches from developers. But I'd rather have stable software than just having something now.

[squelcht]

Mixed opinions all around & I can say that I do respect both sides. Especially for the fact of the user community abroad giving out free patches thus making the ultimate "plugin" that will touch every corner of your audio needs. Completely respectful of letting Ableton get Lives stability in order. Perhaps I'm jumping the gun on the argument when I know the Abe crew has a bigger priority in front of them.

I had just realized my own poll is leaving me questionable of the right answer...Hmmm...

[Dexes]

Personally I also don't think that a comment like "I only want it for that one patch" really counts because that is bound to change.

Personally I dont think comments like that count. You just have to look at live itself:

• Live Intro D/L: € 99
• Live Intro Box: €129
• Ableton Live D/L: €349
• Ableton Live Box: €449
• Ableton Suite D/L: €549
• Ableton Suite Box: €699

Why shouldn't this kind of scheme count for Max4Live. The more you want, the more you pay. Or do you feel someone who wants no more than to launch a few audio clips in live should have to pay for the full boxed suite edition?

Apart from the patches available for M4L you can also utilize Max patches, thus increasing your possibilities quite heavily.

Ehhhmmm You can utilize max patches anyway because there IS a completely free max runtime.

And well... Its not as if the plugin's made in M4L are the only ones out there. I'm sure there are also decent vst's around which provide the same kind of functionality but probably also come at a certain price (though probably cheaper than M4L I think).

Please, show me a x0x style drum sequencer plugin that lets you map midi CCs/notes/whatever* to turn on/off the different steps. I've been looking for one of these for over a year, downloaded and installed probably over 50 different "drum machine" and "sequencer" plugins, both freebees and demos of commercial ones and haven't found a single one that does this.

(*)"whatever" does not include sysex or polyphonic aftertouch as live does not support these. (Not that I've found one using either, but I mention it anyway)

[beats me]

If they had a runtime it might even inspire more people to buy M4L. I have yet to see anything that would make me want to buy M4L, but if I could screw around with an M4L device personally then I might be motivated.

Actually I probably wouldn't, but others might.

[Tone Deft]

If they had a runtime it might even inspire more people to buy M4L. I have yet to see anything that would make me want to buy M4L, but if I could screw around with an M4L device personally then I might be motivated.

have you been looking?

I can see a situation where Ableton doesn't want to release a runtime because they don't need to the added hassle of more users with f-ed up Live installs. Live is getting beat up by the goons, certainly a max runtime would increase that noise. I might take that further to ask which would be the more reliable user base? the early m4L adopters or the people that just want to use free toys?