multi panning within a single instrument track, possible?

[defetto]

Hello,


here i am again with another question, btw sorry if i'm creating an average of one topic per day, but as you can imagine i'm discovering new things constantly, and audio is for me a completely unexplored field.

what i'm asking for is something probably unusual, and could be something impossible, but it's worth giving it a try.

Track panning in live is obviously a single parameter which applies to the whole track, but i would like to have a separate panning for each note of an instrument (a grandpiano for example).

So that i can control separately (and dynamically) the panning for each note, and this should keep working even if i play more than one note at the same time (a chord for example).

I tried to search myself for such a function, and i found that this is possible for example in the Impulse device, where each sound is a separated sample with its own pan.
I couldn't find this option in instruments like the grandpiano (which i believe is a simpler), but i thought it might be possible, since as far as i know each note is a sample (in fact the device says "multisample").

Would be amazing if someone teach me how to achieve this, either with or without maxforlive (but i guess that max will be needed..)

Anyone? I really hope there is a way, my fingers are crossed.

Thanks a lot for your help!

Pedro

[kleine]

Hello,

Usually you can do such things in (some) devices themselves (you can e.g. route the key or velocity parameters
to panning in Sampler).
Still, without giving it too much thought, i believe it´s possible to build a panning effect controlled
by midi notes - the problem is here that if a midi note triggers a certain panning, the next note
would trigger a different panning and "cut off" the previous panning - therefore it´s much nicer to have use an instrument where each
voice can have it´s own panning settings/modulation rather than a global panning where the position is triggered with each note...

Best,
Christian

[defetto]

Hello Christian,

first of all thanks for the quick reply.

Not sure if i was clear enough, but just to clarify i don't want to change the main pan depending on the midi note, that wouldn't work because

if a midi note triggers a certain panning, the next note would trigger a different panning and "cut off" the previous panning

exactly as you said.

In fact

it´s much nicer to have use an instrument where each voice can have it´s own panning settings/modulation

that's exactly what i need! Each voice should have its own panning, but how to build such an instrument?

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Additionally, would be amazing to have an instrument where each voice is indipendent from the others also in terms of pitch, so that i can many voices singing the same note.. this would be amazing, i have so many ideas in that direction. Anyway this is a further thing, but for now the independent pan would be already a great great thing.. i hope you can show me the way!

Thank you,
Pedro

[kleine]

I agree with you, this is a lovely concept and not a new one - e.g. the Oberheim 4 voice synthesizer
from 1975 had this concept already, mainly because each of the 4 voices was an individual synthesizer
with it´s own signal path - so if you hit the same note 4 times, each hit triggers sequentially one of the 4 modules.
Each module could have it´s own setting (oscillators, filters, volume, panning etc.).
You can adapt this concept when building a device but be aware that it might become very cpu intensive because
of the above fact.

Best,
Christian

[defetto]

Thanks Christian,

so if i want such a device i should build it myself using maxforlive, as there is no native Live device like this (if i get it right).

I want to try, can you give me some hints about how to approach it?
Also i would need this device to work with the samples from the Essential and Orchestral Instrument Collection, do you think it is possible?

Thanks a lot,
Pedro

[kleine]

Hello,

You can already achieve that easily with an instrument rack stuffed with Simplers (or Samplers etc.)
Each Simpler instance can have it´s own panning - or it could modulate the panning via
it´s LFO...

Best,
Christian

[defetto]

Dear Christian,

thanks a lot!

i didn't know about instrument racks (what a shame), but now i know, and this opens up a new world of possibilities.
Just finished reading the documentation, and i should be able to allocate the midi to the chain i want using the chain select zone.
I will have to build a dynamic allocator that always use the first available chain (the first that is not playing), so that two notes never overlap on the same chain.
This way i'll be able to control the pan for each chain, therefore for each note! Amazing..

It will take some time to realize this, but i will start asap, like tomorrow morning.

If you have any feedback/hints please let me know (write em here or would be nice to have your contact on skype)
I know i might encounter some performance issues, but my workstation is good and the x-port will help a lot, so i'll try

Thanks again,
Pedro