Any Midi Yoke users out there?

Strauzzie · Post by **Strauzzie** » Fri Mar 25, 2005 4:46 pm

I have a situation that I think could be solved with Midi Yoke. I have a Korg MicroKontrol that I want to use to output Midi clock to two different laptops running Live on XP. I could use a hardware MIDI thru box to split the clock signal to two outputs, but I don't have one; what I do have is a Edirol UM2 2x2 USB midi interface and an idea involving midi yoke. Would it be possible to run the Midi Clock signal into one laptop (via USB), and essentially forward this out to both outputs of the Edirol UM2 card?

Let me know if anyone has any ideas.

thanks in advance,

Mark

tomlaw · Post by **tomlaw** » Fri Mar 25, 2005 4:49 pm

I don't see why that wouldn't work. At any rate, Midi Yoke is free, and takes about 10 minutes to find, download, and install, so just try it and see. It's a handy utility to have around, anyhow.

secretagentgel · Post by **secretagentgel** » Fri Mar 25, 2005 5:37 pm

should work fine. i've used a set up similar in the past.

corey

louZ · Post by **louZ** » Fri Mar 25, 2005 7:24 pm

there's also Maple now... free as well.

serotoninsteve · Post by **serotoninsteve** » Fri Mar 25, 2005 9:38 pm

Yes, that should work.

Greetings

Strauzzie · Post by **Strauzzie** » Mon Mar 28, 2005 2:35 pm

OK, so Midi-OX did the job, with one caveat:

After seeing that the forwarding was working, I patched one of the outs of the UM-2 back into one of the ins, so that the timing would be equal to the other laptop (which has to travel from the other out, the length of a midi cable, and into an interface.) This works, but I have to introduce a +75.0 ms delay on the laptop using the UM2 in order to be synchronized to the other laptop. Using a midi thru box, this delay is not needed. Any ideas what could be causing this?

djastroboy · Post by **djastroboy** » Mon Mar 28, 2005 3:06 pm

louZ wrote:there's also Maple now... free as well.

When I tried to use Maple to route MIDI clock it seemed like it passed normal MIDI but dropped all real-time stuff. Am I wrong?

Machinate · Post by **Machinate** » Mon Mar 28, 2005 4:17 pm

Strauzzie wrote:OK, so Midi-OX did the job, with one caveat:

After seeing that the forwarding was working, I patched one of the outs of the UM-2 back into one of the ins, so that the timing would be equal to the other laptop (which has to travel from the other out, the length of a midi cable, and into an interface.) This works, but I have to introduce a +75.0 ms delay on the laptop using the UM2 in order to be synchronized to the other laptop. Using a midi thru box, this delay is not needed. Any ideas what could be causing this?

that's just sync latency, right? It doesn't affect the rest of your controllers, just the sync timing. Everything's the way it should be.

MrYellow · Post by **MrYellow** » Tue Mar 29, 2005 1:08 am

which has to travel from the other out, the length of a midi cable, and into
an interface

hehe... You do know how fast the speed of light is right

The cable could be from here to the moon and it wouldn't make any
difference. It's the processing of the data which adds the latency.

Not trying to be anal, just gotta outta bed and thought it was funny.

btw a midi thru box depending on the style will also introduce latency, just
not as much as a PC/Interface/Software/Interface kinda setup. Too many
links in the chain.

-Ben

lizardman · Post by **lizardman** » Tue Mar 29, 2005 2:12 am

MidiYoke didn't worked on my system (WinXP Pro) but LoopBe1 did the job! Just a suggestion

djastroboy · Post by **djastroboy** » Tue Mar 29, 2005 3:52 pm

lizardman wrote:MidiYoke didn't worked on my system (WinXP Pro)

I had bad problems with the Yoke on XP too. Sometimes even BSD.
If you're gonne use the Yoke, TEST TEST TEST!

Strauzzie · Post by **Strauzzie** » Tue Mar 29, 2005 3:57 pm

MrYellow wrote:The cable could be from here to the moon and it wouldn't make any difference. It's the processing of the data which adds the latency.

yes, i agree.. however, the conversion to a physical signal from the UM2 and back to data on the recieving end is more what I was talking about.

djastroboy · Post by **djastroboy** » Tue Mar 29, 2005 11:50 pm

Actually the speed of transmission in a wire is much slower than the speed of light, which is the theoretical max. In fact, early delays were created by winding ling wires around a post and the length of the wire was essentially the delay time.