Is there any special way to sample records?

SIXTO · Post by **SIXTO** » Tue Mar 29, 2005 3:47 am

How do you guys get samples from records? Is there a special plugin or you just use Live and record... then edit and distort it????

Thanks

bigbone · Post by **bigbone** » Tue Mar 29, 2005 4:13 am

You are NOT suppose to sample records unless it is royalty free....

IT'S LIKE STEALING INTELECTUAL PROPRETY...........

SIXTO · Post by **SIXTO** » Tue Mar 29, 2005 4:31 am

I should of stated that... I know that is illegal.... I have records that have loops and are royalty free... some are actually white labels from friends...I also have sample cds.... Just wonder on how I could sample these sources from my tables... or is it just as simple as pressing record..

I would like to know how others do it...

I apologize for the confusion

ryansupak · Post by **ryansupak** » Tue Mar 29, 2005 4:39 am

you'll need a phono preamp -- something between the record player and the soundcard to bring the phono level signal up to line level.

once the signal is line level, recording right in to Live's Session View works for me (or it would, if I had ever sampled a record. Not that I ever have.)

rs

SIXTO · Post by **SIXTO** » Tue Mar 29, 2005 5:01 am

I have a djm 600...ofcourse turntable to 600, would I take RCA jacks out of the REC OUT into the sound card.. or another way if my mixer would work...

Thanks

sweetjesus · Post by **sweetjesus** » Tue Mar 29, 2005 5:34 am

bigbone wrote:You are NOT suppose to sample records unless it is royalty free....

IT'S LIKE STEALING INTELECTUAL PROPRETY...........

Please do not make ignorant and inaccurate legal comments about things you know nothing about.

First up sampling is a copyright issue, not intellectual property.

Secondly, copyright allows for certain usage under 'fair use'

Third, you have not committed breach of copyright if you make a digital representation of vinyl you own for the sake of making it easier to play out. Nor have you breached copyright if you sample elements until you decide to play the recording you created with those samples publically or in a commercial manner, which in that case you may be able to use it depending on the element you have sampled, or you can apply for sample clearance with the relevant label.

Please do not spread FUD.

ryansupak · Post by **ryansupak** » Tue Mar 29, 2005 7:23 am

yeah, you would send rec out, or master out, into your soundcard -- then in Ableton, specify that soundcard input as the source, then hit the rec button on the track, then hit it again on whatever session slot you want to record to.

let me know if this doesnt make sense...
rs

T.I.M. · Post by **T.I.M.** » Tue Mar 29, 2005 7:24 am

sweetjesus wrote:
bigbone wrote:You are NOT suppose to sample records unless it is royalty free....

IT'S LIKE STEALING INTELECTUAL PROPRETY...........
Please do not make ignorant and inaccurate legal comments about things you know nothing about.

First up sampling is a copyright issue, not intellectual property.

Secondly, copyright allows for certain usage under 'fair use'

Third, you have not committed breach of copyright if you make a digital representation of vinyl you own for the sake of making it easier to play out. Nor have you breached copyright if you sample elements until you decide to play the recording you created with those samples publically or in a commercial manner, which in that case you may be able to use it depending on the element you have sampled, or you can apply for sample clearance with the relevant label.

Please do not spread FUD.

Thank you...

T.I.M. · Post by **T.I.M.** » Tue Mar 29, 2005 7:30 am

I record into a sound editor. I use Audacity and Bias Peak. I have never purposely distorted the signal on a digital device. I have when I used a dj mixer though.

SIXTO · Post by **SIXTO** » Tue Mar 29, 2005 2:19 pm

ryansupak wrote:yeah, you would send rec out, or master out, into your soundcard -- then in Ableton, specify that soundcard input as the source, then hit the rec button on the track, then hit it again on whatever session slot you want to record to.

let me know if this doesnt make sense...
rs

Thanks.. it makes sense.... Ill give that a try....

SweetJesus thanks for your info...

sweetjesus · Post by **sweetjesus** » Wed Mar 30, 2005 12:31 am

Welcome guys.

I get the feeling that loads of people here should hire a lawyer and spend a good hour or two with them covering all aspects of how you make music and how you would like to distribute it etc and find out all the legal ramifications.

A good lawyer will also tell you the economics of selling music in your local music industry (i.e. Australian labels will work things a tiny bit differently to American labels).

A little secret is ... lawyers tend to be the ones who land you record deals more than managers and your own talent since they know all the top honchos.

kennerb · Post by **kennerb** » Wed Mar 30, 2005 1:04 am

When I sample from records the first thing I do is make sure I clean it up good. Then I put a stylus on that is more club oriented rather than a scratch set up. Ortofon has some really nice high output setups that will get the best overall signal. Then I set up live to have the track armed. I then assign my foot controller to the relative play button. Every time I step on the pedal it moves down one scene in Live and starts a new recording. I can then go in and set a tighter loop point or bring it into an external editor. Make sure you are not setting the samples to be automatically warped. I find it's best to tap the tempo out later and then warp it.

The legal stuff is irritating. Yes artists deserve credit for things you use of theirs if you make money off of it That doesn't even need to be said. I find it sad though that cultures have grown and developed with music that belongs to the culture and not the individual. This enriches the culture as a whole and by others using and modifying what they know lets ideas develop to a level they might not otherwise.

Think of all the royalties that would need to be paid out to originators of African drum rythyms by every gospel, blues, rock, jazz, reggae, etc recording artist. Sure there is a difference by actually using the recording but I find it hard to believe that it would not have been used if the technology existed then.

buzzcock · Post by **buzzcock** » Wed Mar 30, 2005 1:25 am

I'm wondering if anyone uses, or has thought to use, a limiter between the phono preamp and the A/D converter. Not to limit the dynamic range of the recording per se-- just to handle any overloads from faulty vinyl.

That way you can input into your A/D at the highest level possible. Seems like a smart idea especially if the source material contains known imperfections/scratches/pops.

Something in the dbx 160 line perhaps?

bigbone · Post by **bigbone** » Wed Mar 30, 2005 2:41 am

Sweetjesus.....I don't care what you said, if you sample music, it's stealing , i don't need your stupid remark,or your fucking moral
man......

sweetjesus · Post by **sweetjesus** » Wed Mar 30, 2005 4:16 am

bigbone wrote:Sweetjesus.....I don't care what you said, if you sample music, it's stealing , i don't need your stupid remark,or your fucking moral
man......

Dude, it's not stealing.. it's sampling.. hence the term. I paid a lot of money to lawyers to get such advice.

It's people like you who spread BS and get the ear of uneducated people thus making it more difficult for artists to have to deal with copyright issues because their local member of parliment, or senator heard that "sampling is stealing" by someone with no clue and pushed for bills that made laws more stringent.

I'd rather listen to my lawyer who has been in the music industry for 20 years than you. You spoke out of your ass and got told off.

I bet you don't even know which court case resulted in the whole sampling thing becoming a legal issue.