Surround setup for Live
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Re: Surround setup for Live
Well done. maybe this will be smoother in terms of crossfades. BosonHavoc's rack was nice but I still had jumps when panning from one spkr to another. Looks like you have developed his idea to the next step.
Thanks.
Thanks.
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Very interesting.
I have been going down the surround path with Live for some time now, & have evolved similar systems. I'll check this out when I get back to my multi-speaker studio.
Thanks for posting this.
I have been going down the surround path with Live for some time now, & have evolved similar systems. I'll check this out when I get back to my multi-speaker studio.
Thanks for posting this.
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Cool. Please tell me if you have any additions to the setup
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OMG. This works so well. Thank you so much. You just helped me solve a related puzzle. Thank you.
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Re: Surround setup for Live
great great great! espeacially since I will be able work with an 8-channel audio system soon.
The actual project won't need fading stuff from one to the other speaker, but I already have made it clear that I want to do some of my own experimental stuff with it on one day ...
The actual project won't need fading stuff from one to the other speaker, but I already have made it clear that I want to do some of my own experimental stuff with it on one day ...
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I'm glad to hear that my work is usefull Please tell me if you develop the setup further!
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Oh yeah, and thanks again!
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Good Show! You effectively get around the limitation of the External Audio Effect not working with the Fade Ranges in Chains by using Aux Send/Return tracks & routing instead.deHaan wrote:I have found another way to make it work with the "crossfades" without using 'external audio effect'.
Check this out:
External outputs in Live can be either mono or stereo: one alternate approach is to have both mono & stereo panners for different effects.
Live sums a stereo source to mono when you send the source to a mono bus output, & Live maintains the stereo separation when you send the source to a stereo bus output.
This is how I work; I have 4 mono busses & 4 stereo busses going out to my 4 speakers.
UPDATE:
I kept the 4 mono busses (panned alternately 1-left, 2-right, 3-left, 4-right), & deleted the 4 stereo busses.
I use one of Live's Utility devices in source tracks, & can make the source either stereo or mono depending on how I want the left/right material to pan to each individual speaker.
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Nice touch!oblique strategies wrote:Good Show! You effectively get around the limitation of the External Audio Effect not working with the Fade Ranges in Chains by using Aux Send/Return tracks & routing instead.deHaan wrote:I have found another way to make it work with the "crossfades" without using 'external audio effect'.
Check this out:
External outputs in Live can be either mono or stereo: one alternate approach is to have both mono & stereo panners for different effects.
Live sums a stereo source to mono when you send the source to a mono bus output, & Live maintains the stereo separation when you send the source to a stereo bus output.
This is how I work; I have 4 mono busses & 4 stereo busses going out to my 4 speakers.
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@deHaan
nice setup. I made him myself but I have 2 questions.
1. why using sends, why not directly send the audio of the
8 audio tracks to the 8 outputs?
2. I don't think it's true that you can easily duplicate
the source track to have different source sounds which
you can separately pan in surround because the 8 audio
tracks are set to the first source track. So you have
to create another 8 audio tracks for every new source
track and set them to receive the right chain of the new
source track. I'm I right?
Still, it's works pretty fine, and since you can group tracks
it won't get too much of a mess of lots of tracks and it won't
hurt your cpu too much probably because they are only routing
sound....
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Yurki
nice setup. I made him myself but I have 2 questions.
1. why using sends, why not directly send the audio of the
8 audio tracks to the 8 outputs?
2. I don't think it's true that you can easily duplicate
the source track to have different source sounds which
you can separately pan in surround because the 8 audio
tracks are set to the first source track. So you have
to create another 8 audio tracks for every new source
track and set them to receive the right chain of the new
source track. I'm I right?
Still, it's works pretty fine, and since you can group tracks
it won't get too much of a mess of lots of tracks and it won't
hurt your cpu too much probably because they are only routing
sound....
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Yurki
Re: Surround setup for Live
Nice setup. question 2 by Yurki seems very relevant.
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I think I may have a found a work around for creating multiple groupings of 8 tracks for each source track. If you create a group track and map the 8 tracks' source input to be the group track. The only limitation here is you can't control the sweeps differently because they are in the same group track.
I think a workaround would be to have 2 group tracks and 2 groups (not Live "group" tracks) of 8 audio tracks. You can control 2 different source tracks for surround sound differently.
I think a workaround would be to have 2 group tracks and 2 groups (not Live "group" tracks) of 8 audio tracks. You can control 2 different source tracks for surround sound differently.
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All the workarounds here are great, can't wait to give them a try.
I would also like to share this particular free vst plug in. I recently stumbled upon it, haven't given it a try; but it looks promising.
http://stevethomson.ca/vi/
Also, if anyone has had success using this Max4Live plugin
http://www.maxforlive.com/library/devic ... und-panner
Would you be so kind to share your thoughts and experiences.
I would also like to share this particular free vst plug in. I recently stumbled upon it, haven't given it a try; but it looks promising.
http://stevethomson.ca/vi/
Also, if anyone has had success using this Max4Live plugin
http://www.maxforlive.com/library/devic ... und-panner
Would you be so kind to share your thoughts and experiences.
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