ableton live is number one selling music software?

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Re: ableton live is number one selling music software?

Post by nathannn » Tue Mar 02, 2010 12:50 am

Jarvisimon wrote:A DAW is a digital audio workstation, so it's any application that handles digital audio, it doesn't necessarily have to record it, it just has to be able to manipulate the digital information in a meaningful way.
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i will get back to you when im trying to wrap my head around why Jefferson airplane went to Jefferson starship and then to starship.
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Post by nathannn » Tue Mar 02, 2010 1:16 am

check it out guys!

here is me doing robert henke.


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Re: ableton live is number one selling music software?

Post by headquest » Tue Mar 02, 2010 8:12 am

Tone Deft wrote:you can start your own web site so we can nitpick over every word YOU write. ;)

if the guy wants to write
http://www.monolake.de/interviews/bio.html
"Since the very beginning I am involved in the development of the most successful commercial music software today, Ableton Live." so what? he's done a lot with his career and should be proud of what he's done.

of course it's not true, so what?
What's to say Henke even knows the sales figures (including the rival companies)...?

This is the same Henke who didn't know Ableton were developing a vocoder a few months before it was released, right?
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Re: ableton live is number one selling music software?

Post by SubFunk » Tue Mar 02, 2010 8:25 am

tlennon wrote:
SubFunk wrote:and people ask why is live not in as many studios as PT HD or Logic, etc. what a freakin' joke question.

if they ever want to be there they need to make it workable again... the funniest argument is don't use 3rd party plugs (the essential tools to make good high quality productions), ...
I don't beleive that Live was meant to compete with PT or Logic nor was its intended target market the pro studio environment. Their paradigm was geared toward DJs and Live performances. So it seems!
absolutely, that is why i find it funny that some people seriously try to compare it and bitch about the others, only because you can adapt live for a certain type of use in the studio.
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Post by SubFunk » Tue Mar 02, 2010 8:26 am

@ nathann, i believe leeds was pulling a leg and succeeded! :lol:
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Post by leedsquietman » Tue Mar 02, 2010 12:45 pm

:P

I can't believe I got a bite on that one !

Although, you know Bruce Springsteen produced his Nebraska album on a TEAC 144 - yup. If you had the skills, it was a usable machine and there are many people who still pay to have their digital work transferred to the more updated Revox's and Otari 2 track 1/2" recorders for mastering because they like the warmth of analog tape compression ....
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Post by SubFunk » Tue Mar 02, 2010 12:51 pm

leedsquietman wrote::P

I can't believe I got a bite on that one !

Although, you know Bruce Springsteen produced his Nebraska album on a TEAC 144 - yup. If you had the skills, it was a usable machine and there are many people who still pay to have their digital work transferred to the more updated Revox's and Otari 2 track 1/2" recorders for mastering because they like the warmth of analog tape compression ....
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Re: ableton live is number one selling music software?

Post by evon » Tue Mar 02, 2010 2:33 pm

Based on what I am reading here from our learn-ed posters, it seems that cubase, logic and pro tools seem to be the real Daws. I am thinking that after ten years concentrating on Live, that its time that maybe I take a good look at cubase.
Afterall, I still havent yet found the magic I was looking for. My speciality is studio and I am not really interested in live performances.

On the other hand though, the trend in the music industry is definately in favor of live performances. Records/CDs arent selling anymore like a few years ago, so the Abes seem to be heading in the right direction.
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Post by SubFunk » Tue Mar 02, 2010 2:44 pm

evon wrote:Based on what I am reading here from our learn-ed posters, it seems that cubase, logic and pro tools seem to be the real Daws. I am thinking that after ten years concentrating on Live, that its time that maybe I take a good look at cubase.
Afterall, I still havent yet found the magic I was looking for. My speciality is studio and I am not really interested in live performances.

On the other hand though, the trend in the music industry is definately in favor of live performances. Records/CDs arent selling anymore like a few years ago, so the Abes seem to be heading in the right direction.
well, none of them is really better then the other, they are plain different. all of them have there pros and cons.

i totally love live and it is my by far preferred writing tool, but not my preferred recording / production tool and not for some of the boring commercial audio work i have to do at times, like plain editing for film and the like...

i say a look into others doesn't hurt, there is simply no one for all application around.

if you want / need to be real quick and efficient and able to go real deep in any direction you need to work with more then one single audio apps.

just check it out and decide for yourself, it very much depends as well what you want and need, for many one is enough. for me and some others around clearly not. especially not if they don't get the stability up to par very quick. (talking about ableton)
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Post by Tarekith » Tue Mar 02, 2010 3:06 pm

evon wrote:Based on what I am reading here from our learn-ed posters, it seems that cubase, logic and pro tools seem to be the real Daws. I am thinking that after ten years concentrating on Live, that its time that maybe I take a good look at cubase.
Afterall, I still havent yet found the magic I was looking for. My speciality is studio and I am not really interested in live performances.

On the other hand though, the trend in the music industry is definately in favor of live performances. Records/CDs arent selling anymore like a few years ago, so the Abes seem to be heading in the right direction.
I wouldn't say that any software is better or a true DAW versus another, but it's always good to know what else is out there and see the differences first hand if you can. I switch DAWs all the time it seems like, keeps things interesting and keeps me from getting burned out on any one thing. Nice using a different workflow too.

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Re: ableton live is number one selling music software?

Post by Leon Tricker » Tue Mar 02, 2010 3:12 pm

To those that believe Live isn't selling as well as other software, I assume you therefore wont complain at future upgrade prices because you'll agree that Ableton needs all the money it can get?

That Robert Henke quote is: "the most successful commercial music software". You define "most successful" and I'll tell you how long a piece of string is.

"most successful" doesn't necessarily equal "biggest selling".

Certainly most live performers I see with a laptop are running Live. I'd count that as being the most successful commercial music software, in the cotext of live performance.

But could we just get an answer - a top 10 best selling music software list, please? Because not knowing is stopping me from using Live. I don't feel cool enough... :roll:

This whole thread is reminding me of the interview Robert Henke did with CDM last month. To quote Robert:

"One experience I gain from reading the Ableton user forum and from talking with students is that there is a great amount of insecurity about which technology to use. It’s the abundance paradox. Which software sounds best? Which compressor do i need to use? Which plugins do I need for mastering housy dub music with a hint of pop and some acoustic guitar? Having the choice between 5000 compressor plugins whilst not understanding what makes a compressor really sound the way it does it pretty much my idea of hell. So often I have that impulse telling the world: hey, you can use the sidechain input of the compressor you already have in Live, and you can feed that sidechain with a slightly delayed version of the original signal. You could also apply saturation, filtering, or even reverb or again an instance of the compressor in that side chain signal to shape its timing and response to its input. This will have a result of the compression curve, and this means you can build anything from a very normal compressor up to the most exotic effect you can imagine. And you can store those structures for later re-use. You can automate every single aspect of it. You can use ten or twenty instances of it in a song. Are you guys aware that you have more power right in front of you than the best music producers and hardware designers just ten years ago would have dreamed off?

I simply do not want to read any more articles about new compressor, be it hardware or software, unless it provides insight into the amazing possibilities we already have. I don’t want to read anymore sound quality discussions that deal with the last bit of a 24-bit file in a world where people listen to mp3 over mobile phones and enjoy those artefacts.

The most exciting new music comes from young kids guys running some audio software in a bedroom, listening to the result over a shitty hi-fi and use Melodyne all the way wrong. Those folks do not read gear magazines, they could not care less about yet another mastering EQ, but create the most stunning beauty. If people talk too much about gear I usually do not expect too much good music. I am often trapped in this twilight zone between engineer and composer too, so I know what I am talking about here…"

Amen to that, brother!

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Re: ableton live is number one selling music software?

Post by leedsquietman » Tue Mar 02, 2010 4:10 pm

I was all in favour of it until the last paragraph ...
The most exciting new music comes from young kids guys running some audio software in a bedroom, listening to the result over a shitty hi-fi and use Melodyne all the way wrong. Those folks do not read gear magazines, they could not care less about yet another mastering EQ, but create the most stunning beauty.
This is only true of a MINORITY of such music. Many 'young kids running audio software in a bedroom' produce generic crap based on a bunch of samples, loops and presets and because they don't read gear magazines, or can't care less about mastering EQ and don't learn basic fundamental recording and mixing techniques and try and educate themselves to produce better quality audio, their generic crap sounds freaking terrible, way too much low end mud and hyper compressed crud making something that only sounded bland and derivative to begin with, sound absolute elephant turd like.

Apart from this, Mr. Henke makes a lot of sense.
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Re: ableton live is number one selling music software?

Post by evon » Tue Mar 02, 2010 4:23 pm

Yes Leon, I see what you are saying. I share those sentiments and agree also with Robert on the "application" aspect of things. It all boils down to how one applies himself to what he has at hand. "A poor workman blames his tool" I believe the adage says.

So for me, not finding the magic yet may just mean that I have not applied my self enough. I also hear SubFunk and Tarekith re no harm in in looking into another DAW.
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Re: ableton live is number one selling music software?

Post by SubFunk » Tue Mar 02, 2010 4:25 pm

leedsquietman wrote:I was all in favour of it until the last paragraph ...
The most exciting new music comes from young kids guys running some audio software in a bedroom, listening to the result over a shitty hi-fi and use Melodyne all the way wrong. Those folks do not read gear magazines, they could not care less about yet another mastering EQ, but create the most stunning beauty.
This is only true of a MINORITY of such music. Many 'young kids running audio software in a bedroom' produce generic crap based on a bunch of samples, loops and presets and because they don't read gear magazines, or can't care less about mastering EQ and don't learn basic fundamental recording and mixing techniques and try and educate themselves to produce better quality audio, their generic crap sounds freaking terrible, way too much low end mud and hyper compressed crud making something that only sounded bland and derivative to begin with, sound absolute elephant turd like.

Apart from this, Mr. Henke makes a lot of sense.
yeah, i believe in mistakes and creating therefore something great and unique myself, absolutely!, but seeing well better say hearing the overwhelming amount of mediocre crap and 'it all sounds the same shit' out of most bedrooms make that statement lame.
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