being accused of not being a "real DJ" with Ableton

[smartass303]

i like negations:
wankers torrenting beatport top 100`s either pressing sync buttons in traktor or *djing* in ableton are basement dwelling retards.
it should be advertised like that on the flyer: RETARD xy (insert city here)

now im going to my favorite record store and buy some vinyls, because i like it,

303

[davepermen]

IMO DJ's are not necessarily beat jugglers, but all beat juggler's are DJ's.

Some DJ's are musicians, some are producers, some are beat jugglers, but none of those people, including you, have a monopoly on the 80 yr old term 'DJ'. If someone thinks they are a DJ, they are. Just like someone just beginning the guitar is still a musician, even if he isn't very good.

but he isn't pianist, then. he's guitarist. he plays the guitar, not the piano.. me, not touching any disks, i'm no dj anymore.

[SubFunk]

Dj, DJ, Dj, hang the fucking Dj, because he STILL constantly plays the music i don't want to hear.

[davepermen]

Dj, DJ, Dj, hang the fucking Dj, because he STILL constantly plays the music i don't want to hear.

you just go to the wrong parties then ^^

[SubFunk]

[AceLuby]

IMO DJ's are not necessarily beat jugglers, but all beat juggler's are DJ's.

Some DJ's are musicians, some are producers, some are beat jugglers, but none of those people, including you, have a monopoly on the 80 yr old term 'DJ'. If someone thinks they are a DJ, they are. Just like someone just beginning the guitar is still a musician, even if he isn't very good.

but he isn't pianist, then. he's guitarist. he plays the guitar, not the piano.. me, not touching any disks, i'm no dj anymore.

Ok... what if I'm up on stage w/ a single CD player or record player and just played songs one after another. DJ, right?

[davepermen]

IMO DJ's are not necessarily beat jugglers, but all beat juggler's are DJ's.

Some DJ's are musicians, some are producers, some are beat jugglers, but none of those people, including you, have a monopoly on the 80 yr old term 'DJ'. If someone thinks they are a DJ, they are. Just like someone just beginning the guitar is still a musician, even if he isn't very good.

but he isn't pianist, then. he's guitarist. he plays the guitar, not the piano.. me, not touching any disks, i'm no dj anymore.

Ok... what if I'm up on stage w/ a single CD player or record player and just played songs one after another. DJ, right?

jup. and if you see parties of my parents with some friends (could be 50 or more), then the job of the dj at that night was more or less that. for years. grabbing the cool tracks, playing one after the other.

go to an oldies party. while the dj there has most likeky a full 2deck setup, he could do the same with just one cd player, and it would sound about the same (a bigger delay between the tracks).

seen enough parties more or less like this, that i can say, yes, those are djs. this is what my mom expected when i told her "to dj". "mixing" was unknown to her, after years of all sorts of parties. i explained her how djing "is hard, needs learning" and she didn't understand till i showed her what a typical electronic music dj does. that is NOT typical for most other kinds of music.

[AceLuby]

jup. and if you see parties of my parents with some friends (could be 50 or more), then the job of the dj at that night was more or less that. for years. grabbing the cool tracks, playing one after the other.

go to an oldies party. while the dj there has most likeky a full 2deck setup, he could do the same with just one cd player, and it would sound about the same (a bigger delay between the tracks).

seen enough parties more or less like this, that i can say, yes, those are djs. this is what my mom expected when i told her "to dj". "mixing" was unknown to her, after years of all sorts of parties. i explained her how djing "is hard, needs learning" and she didn't understand till i showed her what a typical electronic music dj does. that is NOT typical for most other kinds of music.

So... somebody on stage w/ a CD player = DJ, but somebody on stage w/ a tape player = not a DJ. On stage w/ a turntable = DJ, on stage w/ an 8 track player = not a DJ? Because those skill sets are WAY different.

I'll stick to the encyclopedia definition, but feel free to critique others and let them know of your monopoly on an 80 yr old term

"A person who conducts a program of recorded music on radio, on television, or at discotheques or other dance halls."

[H20nly]

[davepermen]

jup. and if you see parties of my parents with some friends (could be 50 or more), then the job of the dj at that night was more or less that. for years. grabbing the cool tracks, playing one after the other.

go to an oldies party. while the dj there has most likeky a full 2deck setup, he could do the same with just one cd player, and it would sound about the same (a bigger delay between the tracks).

seen enough parties more or less like this, that i can say, yes, those are djs. this is what my mom expected when i told her "to dj". "mixing" was unknown to her, after years of all sorts of parties. i explained her how djing "is hard, needs learning" and she didn't understand till i showed her what a typical electronic music dj does. that is NOT typical for most other kinds of music.

So... somebody on stage w/ a CD player = DJ, but somebody on stage w/ a tape player = not a DJ. On stage w/ a turntable = DJ, on stage w/ an 8 track player = not a DJ? Because those skill sets are WAY different.

I'll stick to the encyclopedia definition, but feel free to critique others and let them know of your monopoly on an 80 yr old term

"A person who conducts a program of recorded music on radio, on television, or at discotheques or other dance halls."

so by your ency definition, milly vanilly where djs.. me starting winamp/itunes is being a dj. etc..

any definition fails except the one that just uses those two words.

so yeah, using something that plays disks to play music is a dj. if he uses more than one after each other, that is. (else a dp, not double pen.., disk player).

else it's a tj, tape jockey.. why not?

what is hard about my definition? what is wrong by calling one triggering clips in live "not a real dj"? nothing. it would be wrong to imply him to be "less than a dj", by this. a.k.a. personally attacking him in some form. THAT is wrong.

but when i play bass, i don't consider myself guitarplayer. i consider myself bass player. if i play violin, i'm a violin player. is the skillset so differnt? hitting notes by placing fingers on strings, and getting the strings to vibe somehow? a banjo player is not the same as a guitarplayer, too. and none of those get pissed off by being called so.

[H20nly]

[locojohn]

so yeah, using something that plays disks to play music is a dj. if he uses more than one after each other, that is. (else a dp, not double pen.., disk player).

else it's a tj, tape jockey.. why not?

On your own page you say some of your DJ sets are available from beatcast.ch. I went ahead to check your DJ mixes and found this: http://beatcast.ch/pages/eparchiv.aspx?id=9. In this mix there's a Paul Nova track called "Next Level (Original MIx)". It was released exclusively as an MP3 file on Elisir77:

http://www.discogs.com/Paul-Nova-In-The ... se/1056798

Since this is a digital-only download release, I wonder how did you mix it down in your DJ mix? Did you burn this track onto a CD-R to make yourself more comfortable with your definition of a DJ?

Please stop rubbish talking.

Andrejs

[davepermen]

i use(d) traktor with vinyl control


and if one comes over telling me "that's not real djing", then i don't bother. because i can understand him.

[davepermen]

btw, why shouldn't i bother when someone tells me i'm not "a real dj", even with traktor and vinyls controlling it?

because i can do stuff another dj can't. and can consider to not do stuff other djs have to.

for a lot of electronic clubbers, a dj is "a dude who can mix two vinyl or cd tracks together fluently, beatmatched". i can extend on that by easy keymatching, easy looping, having effects on the stuff, and don't even HAVE to beatmatch.

do i cheat, then? by their point of view what djs had to be able to do before. yes. and me, knowing this, have to accept that, it is sort of a cheat. doesn't matter as it's still good music, and i do other stuff they don't really understand.

and live goes much further there. you can't beatmatch at all anymore. you most likely play more than 2 things at a time. etc etc.

it is something vastly different to what a typical dj with two vinyl decks and a mixer with crossfader in the electronic dj scene did.

and now hiphoppers, scratching around on their vinyl, have a completely different skillset again, think an electronic music dj is cheating as he's "not doing anything at all".

etc etc.


people have different expectations. if you don't follow those, you ARE cheating, if you still call yourself "fullfiller of their expectations".

nothing is complicated or hard to understand about that.

but based on that, i went to the simple "if i play disks, i'm dj. if not, i'm not" solution. works best.

[AceLuby]

And I went to the simple, "if I play pre-recorded music, I'm a DJ, if I'm not, I'm not". The medium hasn't mattered since the invention of the 8 track. I still haven't seen a single definition that says a disc jockey must produce music using discs. The term has evolved in the last 80 years... time to move along with the times.