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[senator adam]

Live 8.1.1 crashes all the time in Windows 7 for me... I've filed a bug report for it. My crash log is huge. It crashes when copying/pasting, adding new tracks, warping and then unwarping, etc. Complete garbage.

Live 8.0.5 seems fine in Windows though.

[HeadrickProductions]

Seriously, until this 8 nonsense is as stable as Live 4.1.4, then no one should be using Ableton Live for anything more than a clunky studio tool. Live 9 should not see the light of day until well into 2012, at the very earliest.

+1

I think everyone who owns live 8 should give there plus one on this one.......RAISE YOUR HANDS AND BE COUNTED CAUSE IT LOOKS LIKE THEY ARE FINALLY FACING THE PROBLEMS

[HeadrickProductions]

I had nothing but problems with Ableont for the last 3 months.

Found out that it was due to using too much ram.

Specifically it gets pretty unstable after about 2.25 gigs, definitely crashing loads after 2.5 gigs.

Donno if this is your problem but thought it worth a mention.

Also freezing does nothing to sort this out.

have a look at system profiler or whatever it's called (forget as am typing on a pc not in the studio). If Ableton is showing over 2.x gigs then try freezing and then flattening some files. It's a pain working that way but if you drag the frozen files to the browser then you can go back and edit should you need to, i have a folder in each project now called Au's which is use for the frozen ones.

Also, if you are on 8.1 try the latest beta. There were loads of problems that have been fixed along the way and I am not crash free, including some issues with my uads cards. There is still a bug which causes the UAds to mis communicate their sample latency sometimes. Am emailing the support dudes about this at moment. . .

Questions how can I tell how much ram it takes to crash my system. I would love to be able to let the folks at ableton know?? YET another reason for 64 bit

[dum]

If this was a Japanese company, Gerhard would probably have committed seppuku by now

[HeadrickProductions]

it looks like live has much more issues on recent osx versions, than on windows.

Since when?

Also, you should know by now that this arguemnt is nothing but a waste of everyone's time.

yeah it looks like people don't actually want to get their stuff working, and just cry? at least some. others would gladly test for a moment on a different system to see if they can at least be stage ready with it.

since when? hm.. the moment people startet moving to snow leopard, there where lots of discussions showing that live doesn't work that well on it, and they had to revert to older osx versions. there where discussions about some macbooks being much more prone to crashes, too (3phase discussed this. he possibly is one with such a macbook generation).

besides live i see quite some other applications having more and more stability issues on the newest mac systems.

so i say it would be worth a quick try.

Is that not because of what you told me in the quality thread. Because MAC uses NIVEA graphics CARDS. and those are some of the specific bugs?

It is simple economic theory that if a product does not increase in cost as inflation rises then they are simply placing cheaper hardware in their laptops in their system and charging the same. (this goes for all computers no matter what OS, and consumer products in gerneal, hence why over here in the states at least why consumer's have slowed spending because of crappy products)

[LoopStationZebra]

If this was a Japanese company, Gerhard would probably have committed seppuku by now

Hmm. That trend seems to be changing. Even mid level executives in Japan used to regularly off themselves after embezzling some post-it notes from the office supply room, but those dudes at Toyota haven't so much as sharpened the steel yet.

[davepermen]

Is that not because of what you told me in the quality thread. Because MAC uses NIVEA graphics CARDS. and those are some of the specific bugs?

It is simple economic theory that if a product does not increase in cost as inflation rises then they are simply placing cheaper hardware in their laptops in their system and charging the same. (this goes for all computers no matter what OS, and consumer products in gerneal, hence why over here in the states at least why consumer's have slowed spending because of crappy products)

hm, no in the quality thread i was talking about microsoft suing nvidia for bad drivers. but yeah, there's quite some discussion about actual nvidia hardware being bad in quality, and apple would be one of the affected ones, due to this.

but i think the macbook 3phase is not yet one of the nvidia generation. i could be wrong, though. there was a thread about a certain macbook generation being quite unstable in live. and 3phase mentoyed it, possibly being his generation.

so i think it's 3 different things. but they have quite something in common, though.

and yeah, quality went down in a lot of products. the other thing i see in the current economy is shops not going down in prices. intel launched the generation 2 of their ssds, and with that, they where able to cut cost down to half. but shops just took that new ssd, and sold it for THE SAME PRICE AS THE OLD ONE. as all did this, they got huge margins by that. bastards!! (but i guess everyone would act that way if it's about surviving)

[3dot...]

6 was a dream under osx.

...yep...4/5/6 were a dream on the XP as well...
today...
I seriously can't remember Live without the Anxiety/Frustration element anymore...
"when will it crash?"...and then it does ... and then you're bummed...

now open a project you made with v6...
makes for a refreshing reminder of how sluggish and buggy v8 is..
Live6 is lightning fast ! and stable !

and although I'm loving M4L.. it adds to the unpredictability of the whole thing..
and feels at times like it's patched to live with gaffer tape...

all and all it makes perfect sense Live is struggling..
it has become a very very complicated program..
and it became so "all of a sudden"..
(Live7 was a very mellow release feature-wise)
Live8 was a huge leap forward conceptually imo..
supported grid-control surfaces..redesigned 'warp' methods...Grooves...MAX..Serato..
...new instruments/fx..and numerous smaller tweaks
I was overwhelmed by the premise of it.

still.. we shouldn't be sold a software more than a year before it's ready.
I would be willing to beta test it for a year..for free..and know that it's not supposed to be stable..
but an officially released product is something else..
I've stopped installing the beta versions...
it has become simply ludicrous to be beta testing for so long..

about OS issues.. my os runs perfectly with every software installed...
none have crashed my system..(none except for "Live Suite")
(been also working a bit with Reaper and Vegas lately..)

soooo..
I'm pretty sure Ableton will make things right again.. (hope it's not too long now..)
and I'm pretty sure they've learned from their mistakes .
Here's hoping for a stable Live8(+m4l)...soon...

[Tone Deft]

95% of the time Live 8.1 runs great on my machine.

not much to rant about when things are going well.

[C2162]

Seriously, until this 8 nonsense is as stable as Live 4.1.4, then no one should be using Ableton Live for anything more than a clunky studio tool. Live 9 should not see the light of day until well into 2012, at the very earliest.

+1

I think everyone who owns live 8 should give there plus one on this one.......RAISE YOUR HANDS AND BE COUNTED CAUSE IT LOOKS LIKE THEY ARE FINALLY FACING THE PROBLEMS

+1!

[Rave]

Is beta number six looking good ?

Tbh I am still with 8.0.9

[senator adam]

6 was a dream under osx.

...yep...4/5/6 were a dream on the XP as well...
today...
I seriously can't remember Live without the Anxiety/Frustration element anymore...
"when will it crash?"...and then it does ... and then you're bummed...

now open a project you made with v6...
makes for a refreshing reminder of how sluggish and buggy v8 is..
Live6 is lightning fast ! and stable !

and although I'm loving M4L.. it adds to the unpredictability of the whole thing..
and feels at times like it's patched to live with gaffer tape...

all and all it makes perfect sense Live is struggling..
it has become a very very complicated program..
and it became so "all of a sudden"..
(Live7 was a very mellow release feature-wise)
Live8 was a huge leap forward conceptually imo..
supported grid-control surfaces..redesigned 'warp' methods...Grooves...MAX..Serato..
...new instruments/fx..and numerous smaller tweaks
I was overwhelmed by the premise of it.

still.. we shouldn't be sold a software more than a year before it's ready.
I would be willing to beta test it for a year..for free..and know that it's not supposed to be stable..
but an officially released product is something else..
I've stopped installing the beta versions...
it has become simply ludicrous to be beta testing for so long..

about OS issues.. my os runs perfectly with every software installed...
none have crashed my system..(none except for "Live Suite")
(been also working a bit with Reaper and Vegas lately..)

soooo..
I'm pretty sure Ableton will make things right again.. (hope it's not too long now..)
and I'm pretty sure they've learned from their mistakes .
Here's hoping for a stable Live8(+m4l)...soon...

This is the most poetic Live 8 complaint I've seen yet

[tw1nstates]

I had nothing but problems with Ableont for the last 3 months.

Found out that it was due to using too much ram.

Specifically it gets pretty unstable after about 2.25 gigs, definitely crashing loads after 2.5 gigs.

Donno if this is your problem but thought it worth a mention.

Also freezing does nothing to sort this out.

have a look at system profiler or whatever it's called (forget as am typing on a pc not in the studio). If Ableton is showing over 2.x gigs then try freezing and then flattening some files. It's a pain working that way but if you drag the frozen files to the browser then you can go back and edit should you need to, i have a folder in each project now called Au's which is use for the frozen ones.

Also, if you are on 8.1 try the latest beta. There were loads of problems that have been fixed along the way and I am not crash free, including some issues with my uads cards. There is still a bug which causes the UAds to mis communicate their sample latency sometimes. Am emailing the support dudes about this at moment. . .

Questions how can I tell how much ram it takes to crash my system. I would love to be able to let the folks at ableton know?? YET another reason for 64 bit

Look at your activity monitor on mac, task manager on windows (IIRC for windows) if it's above 2.25 gigs or so on a mac (osx 10.5.6 for me) then it's probably the cause of your problems, bounce, render etc as I described earlier).

yeah 64 bit would be good but this will at least get you cooking for now. . .

[tw1nstates]

yeah, I only have had one crash in days of working with the 6th beta. Am using load sof au's and 2 x uad 2 cards . I think it was the uad card that blew my project out the water. Adding a space echo to an already maxed project. . .

[alex.the.forge]

Look at your activity monitor on mac, task manager on windows (IIRC for windows) if it's above 2.25 gigs or so on a mac (osx 10.5.6 for me) then it's probably the cause of your problems, bounce, render etc as I described earlier).

yeah 64 bit would be good but this will at least get you cooking for now. . .

I am in a normal habit of freezing then option+dragging the clips to audio tracks and eventually deleting the VST track... I will keep an eye on that though, hadn't thought of that

it often seems quite random though.... the most frustrating time