Taking a look at Cubase

[SubFunk]

^^^ ROFL

well, you seem to know a lot about people around here, i am a logic fan if at all.

[evon]

I love the workflow in Cubase, especially the audio editing, best I've ever used. If it wasn't for that damn dongle....

this

Thought you went back to the lounge. Please have a cup of coffee while you are here.

[romanh]

Thought you went back to the lounge. Please have a cup of coffee while you are here.

I do not drink coffee, it is a drug.

[SubFunk]

Thought you went back to the lounge. Please have a cup of coffee while you are here.

I do not drink coffee, it is a drug.

that explains it.

[evon]

Thought you went back to the lounge. Please have a cup of coffee while you are here.

I do not drink coffee, it is a drug.

So what were you doing in the lounge? Or maybe you thought you were in the lounge. Are sure you weren't in the can?

[shotsi673]

I have been using Live in tandem with Logic Pro for a few years. The quality of the audio output is noticeably different with Logic much better. I have recently upgraded my monitors to a pair of Focal CMS65's and there is no doubt about Logic's superior audio engine. But having said that I still use and love Live to create ideas. Live's workflow is second to none. If Logic had a session view then I wouldn't use Live anymore. Given that Live is targeted to the DJ/live scene then do you need a superior audio engine? I do know that Cubase has a few very attractive workflow features but how many DAWs does it take to write song?

[SubFunk]

I have been using Live in tandem with Logic Pro for a few years. The quality of the audio output is noticeably different with Logic much better.

that has been discussed to death and is bullshit, total bullshit, i agree however (using both here as well) that the plugs are by far superior and that i come to a better sounding result in logic myself, but that is due to the way logic makes me mix. not because of a better sounding engine, that is rubbish, total and utter rubbish. (at least since live updated the summing engine)

[romanh]

Thought you went back to the lounge. Please have a cup of coffee while you are here.

I do not drink coffee, it is a drug.

So what were you doing in the lounge? Or maybe you thought you were in the lounge. Are sure you weren't in the can?

The intention of this thread is virales markering for cubase, this is GENERAL ABLETON forum, move this shit in the lounge.
In the lounge You can talk about everything. Make you marketing campanie in the lounge, i have no problem with this.

[Tone Deft]

it's not marketing, evon is a regular poster. he doesn't yet know that DAW sound quality arguments are pointless, give him time.

it's good for Ableton to know people are looking at other DAWs, it will push them to make Live better. let's talk about what other DAWs do better than Live right under their noses, let them know clearly why we'd go to another platform.


between evon posting about Cubase and your contributions, I'll take evon's posts, even the 'Logic sounds better' crap.

[SubFunk]

romanh, seriously, who are you to moderate here with 23 posts?

this is the ableton forum, right! it is un-moderated and it is a place unlike the others where we speak freely about any audio product that exist in this world, we are all live fans and users, otherwise we would not be here...

and this thread is not marketing it is discussing what is good about cubase, live is not the end of all means.

chill out, or leave... we will not stop talking about any audio product.

this is exactly why we love this place so much, it is not a totally corporate ridden single minded place, even it belongs to ableton.

and it is vital for them to have certain info that is floating around here, it makes them creating a btter product.

we all love live, so chill out dude!

greetings
axel

[shotsi673]

I have been using Live in tandem with Logic Pro for a few years. The quality of the audio output is noticeably different with Logic much better.

that has been discussed to death and is bullshit, total bullshit, i agree however (using both here as well) that the plugs are by far superior and that i come to a better sounding result in logic myself, but that is due to the way logic makes me mix. not because of a better sounding engine, that is rubbish, total and utter rubbish. (at least since live updated the summing engine)

I know it has been discussed and it obviously has got people's emotions up. Sure the plug ins are superior and this is also because they run in an environment that obviously produces better audio output algorithms. And this is in tandem with the host system of the Mac. When you hear more and clearer detail it helps with your ability to mix. In Live that detail and clarity is not there when compared to an app like Logic. If anything holds Live back it is the poorer quality plugins. Rewiring Live audio to Logic reveals a completely new and fresher sound. A revelation in fact. Anyway, I use Live less and less now with Logic Pro 9.

[hps909]

I use both. For me, I can't really compare both, or prefer one on the other. Both of them are both beautiful beast. What I like about Cubase is that, when you map something on the quickcontrols, say the mod wheel, if you go to another track, you can still use the mod wheel again and map it on another parameter. Unlike in Live that once it's mapped you cant use it for other parameters anymore. But in Live, almost everything is mapable and in Cubase it's not. And, N + O = NO. Cubase doesn't sound better than Ableton, they both sound the same to me. It will sound different because the native plugins on each DAW are different. Record from Propellerheads sounds the same as them also, but what I like about it, is that the mixer, the EQs, compressor, and filters in there sounds really good, therefore you'll have more control, and it's easier to mix there(For me). But yeah, no midi-out yet. Will wait though. But I love the workflow there the most. I don't care about VSTs...LOL

But yeah, if you can have them both Cubase and Ableton, get it, you'll love it if you have both, there's no need to choose. I sometimes work on either of the three mentioned above, and loving it, coz sometimes staying on the same environment kinda bores me, or sometimes if my mind is stucked on the other say Ableton, it will function on the other one like Cubase or Record.

sorry for the late quote ....

just want to clarify something everything in cubase is mapable it might not be as straight forward as ableton but i think you can map more in cubase than you can in live .. learn about the generic controller dialog and you will soon see how much you can actually map

[evon]

it's not marketing, evon is a regular poster. he doesn't yet know that DAW sound quality arguments are pointless, give him time.

it's good for Ableton to know people are looking at other DAWs, it will push them to make Live better. let's talk about what other DAWs do better than Live right under their noses, let them know clearly why we'd go to another platform.


between evon posting about Cubase and your contributions, I'll take evon's posts, even the 'Logic sounds better' crap.

Thanks Tone..the only thing that spoiled it is your opening remarks...this topic will never go away, even after you and me are dead..so you may as well make lots of coipes of that.

One thing is sure, there is a difference, and I wouldn't even say "perceived" because we are dealing with perception/listening. However, over the years based on the responses there is no doubt that there is a difference.

So, the question remains..what causes this difference? Please, don't tell me about placebo effect.

[evon]

romanh, seriously, who are you to moderate here with 23 posts?

this is the ableton forum, right! it is un-moderated and it is a place unlike the others where we speak freely about any audio product that exist in this world, we are all live fans and users, otherwise we would not be here...

and this thread is not marketing it is discussing what is good about cubase, live is not the end of all means.

chill out, or leave... we will not stop talking about any audio product.

this is exactly why we love this place so much, it is not a totally corporate ridden single minded place, even it belongs to ableton.

and it is vital for them to have certain info that is floating around here, it makes them creating a btter product.

we all love live, so chill out dude!

greetings
axel

OK romanh, don't leave. You only need to quieten down a little. We argue very bitterly here, kind of like a family affair. Only a pity you came in through the side door.
Come to think of it ..I never even realized that there is a lounge..it seems as if we all live here in this room.
What the heck do we need a lounge for anyway. I have never been to the lounge.

[hps909]

it's not marketing, evon is a regular poster. he doesn't yet know that DAW sound quality arguments are pointless, give him time.

it's good for Ableton to know people are looking at other DAWs, it will push them to make Live better. let's talk about what other DAWs do better than Live right under their noses, let them know clearly why we'd go to another platform.


between evon posting about Cubase and your contributions, I'll take evon's posts, even the 'Logic sounds better' crap.

Thanks Tone..the only thing that spoiled it is your opening remarks...this topic will never go away, even after you and me are dead..so you may as well make lots of coipes of that.

One thing is sure, there is a difference, and I wouldn't even say "perceived" because we are dealing with perception/listening. However, over the years based on the responses there is no doubt that there is a difference.

So, the question remains..what causes this difference? Please, don't tell me about placebo effect.

there is NO difference to digital summing all it is doing is playing back a digital file with out processing it's like playing a .wav through VLC or through itunes they will sound the same because all they do is playback a digital file !!!

the only difference will be in how the DAW processes the audio for example with panlaw a -3db panlaw will sound different to a -6db panlaw..the minute you process the audio in anyway like warp in ableton, realtime sample/bit rate conversion or using apple loops or acidized files that shit will change how it sounds but running an unaffected file through the summing engine on any DAW will sound the same