Hey Tone Def - Launchpad Mapping

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Re: Hey Tone Def - Launchpad Mapping

Post by dum » Sun Mar 14, 2010 6:40 pm

3phase wrote:Allways this little bitches that use private info when they run out of arguments...
they probably have some chat room where they have these discussions covering the finer details of your career.


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Pasha wrote:Thanks dum for being so precise.

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Re: Hey Tone Def - Launchpad Mapping

Post by nowtime » Mon Mar 15, 2010 3:29 am

outershpongolia wrote:
nowtime wrote:On the session page, you can make use of the column of 8 round buttons on the right. A little awkward being vertical, but it's not to hard to get use to them. I am using them for TRACK ARM for 8 tracks. Same page as my session clip grid. No paging around and paging back. You could label them "1-8" or whatever for additonal visual cues.

I really like the LP. But paging never works for my hand/eye coordination when under pressure in the heat of creative throes. I need everything available right there.
Doesn't htat get rid of your scene launching? i mean, if it fits your workflow than go for it.. but that'd be a deal breaker for me.
ANYWAYS - back onto subject -
@Outershpongolia - I read your response and my mind said "WTF!" I went home and realized I had tested my "track arm" scenario with my block of blank clips that I use for live looping. Arm a track, hit the unlit pad and BOOM! a sweet looping grid. But oooops, I didn't test it long enough to realize I erased my scene launch capabilities. Oh well, I moved my track arm controls to my BCR.

I think the clip grid controller concept with session view is shear brilliance. But I would need 3 Launchpads to do what I want to do without paging around. For now I use 1 plus a Nanopad and a BCR and BCF. It is alot of gear and alot of USB activity. But it works like a charm. And Live 8.1.1. is working like a charm as long as I am using no more than one Looper.
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Re: Hey Tone Def - Launchpad Mapping

Post by outershpongolia » Mon Mar 15, 2010 4:10 am

nowtime wrote:
outershpongolia wrote:
nowtime wrote:On the session page, you can make use of the column of 8 round buttons on the right. A little awkward being vertical, but it's not to hard to get use to them. I am using them for TRACK ARM for 8 tracks. Same page as my session clip grid. No paging around and paging back. You could label them "1-8" or whatever for additonal visual cues.

I really like the LP. But paging never works for my hand/eye coordination when under pressure in the heat of creative throes. I need everything available right there.
Doesn't htat get rid of your scene launching? i mean, if it fits your workflow than go for it.. but that'd be a deal breaker for me.
ANYWAYS - back onto subject -
@Outershpongolia - I read your response and my mind said "WTF!" I went home and realized I had tested my "track arm" scenario with my block of blank clips that I use for live looping. Arm a track, hit the unlit pad and BOOM! a sweet looping grid. But oooops, I didn't test it long enough to realize I erased my scene launch capabilities. Oh well, I moved my track arm controls to my BCR.

I think the clip grid controller concept with session view is shear brilliance. But I would need 3 Launchpads to do what I want to do without paging around. For now I use 1 plus a Nanopad and a BCR and BCF. It is alot of gear and alot of USB activity. But it works like a charm. And Live 8.1.1. is working like a charm as long as I am using no more than one Looper.

Thats my thing.. Scenes/Pages/UserModes all that shit is a no-no for me.. Its cool for the studio but i'm not gonna be paging around on stage thats why I need all of my controls available at once, or at least all the important ones..

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Re: Hey Tone Def - Launchpad Mapping

Post by 3phase » Mon Mar 15, 2010 6:48 am

outershpongolia wrote: Thats my thing.. Scenes/Pages/UserModes all that shit is a no-no for me.. Its cool for the studio but i'm not gonna be paging around on stage thats why I need all of my controls available at once, or at least all the important ones..
Very true.. but thats no excuse to dont streamline the user interface for stage needs anyway.. often you just cant connect half a dozend controlers...

AND..... !! even when we see the launchpd just as a clip launch grid and forget about the faders.. what i am actually doing aswell,

Still than the software implementation sucks... If the primary function is launching clips i personally would like to be able to stop them and arm them on the same page...
The primary function implies the secondary one... they belong together... if thats not manged by the software in any way i call it too minimal, half developed or crippled.

If the primary function is the launch and stop/arm is the secondary function we might use a double keystroke for that...



Beside that missing functionality on the main cliplaunch i again mention the distractiv

-1 step horizontal scrolling. that totally fucks overview on stage... to avoid it you have to do paging...
Or just use 8 tracks..

And one other thing.. The way ableton handles the global quantisation parameter... for people that realy launch clips live instead prepared scenes ( = quasi playback), an essential parameter..
Funny enough that this one is really bad to be adressed by controlers..possible.. but quite some scaling or midi to keystroking around... Actually a parameter that would make much sense to be integrated in cliplaunch pannel somehow..

So even seeing the LP just as a cliplaunch device and forgetting about extras like user or fader pages it appears to be flawed or better

not well developed...
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Re: Hey Tone Def - Launchpad Mapping

Post by outershpongolia » Mon Mar 15, 2010 7:33 am

Oh. My. God.

I know this is the internet and everything, but for christ's sakes take your bitching somewhere else..

You gotta work with what you have, am I wrong?

So instead of the constant complaining maybe you can put your time into developing something similar to nativeKontrol.com, and that way you can actually make some money of your obviously brilliant ideas for the direction of these controllers...

In my case, i've got more than I can even ask for, when it comes to the LP and Ableton Live, so I could care less about what you have to say..

But by all means, post another damn write up about how you would have done better than them.. In fact, make a whole thread about it so you can concentrate you're shit into one place.

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Re: Hey Tone Def - Launchpad Mapping

Post by 3phase » Mon Mar 15, 2010 7:48 am

outershpongolia wrote:Oh. My. God.

I ve spend around 700 euro for unsatisfying controlers and 150 for crashing software in one year.. and allways there is the ableton print on theese products...

I bitch as i want aslong it seems to be necessary..

Its known that the mean ableton user is easy to satisfy... but there is a "quality!" anouncement now..

And quality is not only softwares that is not crashing.. its also software that takes care of details..

And its quality to tailor a product to be state of the art and not just as far to satisfy fanboys...

"i've got more than I can even ask for, when it comes to the LP and Ableton Live"

:lol:

sure.. trouble..
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Re: Hey Tone Def - Launchpad Mapping

Post by outershpongolia » Mon Mar 15, 2010 12:11 pm

3phase wrote:
outershpongolia wrote:Oh. My. God.

I ve spend around 700 euro for unsatisfying controlers and 150 for crashing software in one year.. and allways there is the ableton print on theese products...

I bitch as i want aslong it seems to be necessary..

Its known that the mean ableton user is easy to satisfy... but there is a "quality!" anouncement now..

And quality is not only softwares that is not crashing.. its also software that takes care of details..

And its quality to tailor a product to be state of the art and not just as far to satisfy fanboys...

"i've got more than I can even ask for, when it comes to the LP and Ableton Live"

:lol:

sure.. trouble..
Dude if I get what I need from it who are you to say that I don't? at least I'm happy with my purchases.

Just fuck off bro, don't need any more of your responses.. but you'll still probably bitch some more. Cause you're a bitch, is what it comes down to. :D :D :D :D

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