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Post by noise » Thu Mar 31, 2005 11:11 pm

north wrote:Sure bouncing tracks is an option, but then I am committing the midi to audio and I lose the opportunity to go back and remix this piece of the composition... which is the last thing a composer wishes to do until hitting the true mixing or mastering phase.
-NORTH
(Mike H. just said this a page ago... color me stupid for not reading fwd :oops: )
you're only committed to the bounced tracks if you delete the source midi track...just turn off or delete sampletank while it's not being used. If ya have a brainstorm later you can expand on the midi track that the bounce came from.

It's a good idea to test drive a bunch of different hosts and you may want to add Tracktion and energy XT to your short list. eXT is the best $50 bucks you'll spend on an app this year.

it's all about efficiency in your creative flow, really. find what works the best for you and make it work better. You WILL have to create new habits regardless of what host you settle with...and you can use more than one. They all accel in different areas... 8)

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Post by John Daminato » Sat Apr 02, 2005 9:22 pm

mike holiday wrote:it's awful hard to use sampletank inside reason isn't it??

I can run 2 impulse tracks and 4 operator tracks with 6 f/x on my 800 mhz G4 before it chokes at about 78% with automation on everything

I put 2 sampletank LE inside protools with cpu set to 85% and
get the message "you are running out of cpu power"

you got to learn to resample and sub mix if you are going for 30 tracks

Really?! I have a G4 867mhz and 1 operator takes up like 50%, that's just one Operator playing chords. So your saying you can get 4 Operator synths runnning separately with 6 different Live EFX and 2 impulses?! I have a hard time believing this one. I have a faster cpu and more ram and can't come close to your performance. I have dedicated hardrives for my audio as well. Please explain how you get this?
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Post by hacktheplanet » Sun Apr 03, 2005 2:24 am

Yeah, sure, Live is probably not optimized to run a thousand different VSTi's and the like. Like many others have said, when it comes down to it, it's all about making music. If Cubase or Logic is more powerful for running VSTi's for you, then use it or rewire it.

However, I use Live because it's easy as shit to work on the music I want to produce. I get the most performance out of using a few software effects, Impulse, and a few hardware synths MIDI'ed up. A $600 multitimbral synth can provide you with maybe 16 different voices, depending on the synth. There will be absolutely no compatibity issues (MIDI), and your CPU usage will be at an all time low.

If you're stuck on softsynths as I once was, I used this method of saving CPU: The three softsynths I used each responded to MIDI CC to change the patch. I could get by with relatively low CPU usage by organizing my music in such a way that there wouldn't be more than a few noises going at once. If I wanted to add a sound, the CC would change the patch I wanted to use. That way I could have a number of different sounds coming from one softsynth and save lots of CPU.

Resampling is another option, and Frank Hoffman pointed out to me how to use the EQ Three as a basic LPF or HPF for sweeps instead of the Filter. That saved some CPU too.

So I say get creative! If you've got the cash, invest in a decent hardware synth. You'll save CPU, and actually have a piece of hardware in your studio. I got a smokin' deal on my Alesis Ion ($400 used), and it beats the crap out of most VSTi's I've used. Not to mention it's real easy to get 4 different voices out of it simultaneously. I could run 4 tracks to my Ion, a few more to my Ensoniq ESQ-1 ($160 used), and a whole lot more to my Roland MC-505 ($250 used), another mess to my Akai S2000 ($120 used) for drum hits and loops... You get the idea.

Even after all that, I've STILL got CPU real estate for a few softsynths, or a whole mess of VST effects. Plus, hardware is infinitely more reliable than software. Use both. You can have the reliability and fidelity of hardware, and the ease of use and simplicity of software.
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Post by Angstrom » Sun Apr 03, 2005 2:38 am

north wrote:... and a few NI GuitarRigs... I am already at 70%
A few guitarRigs !!!

I have seen the standalone version of GuitRig eat about a 40% chunk of CPU on its own , two instances of GR could easilly take 70% on a P4 3mhz
GuitarRig sounds nice but it is a total resource hog.

For me - Live only uses what my VSTis take to run in terms of CPU , if its 20%CPU usage in a basic VSTi host then it is the same in Live.

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