queston for BCF-2000 owners...

AdamJay · Post by **AdamJay** » Sun Apr 03, 2005 2:39 am

i'm looking for a studio control device with recall (motorized faders and LED recall knobs). The BCF-2000 is cheap and i think it would do the job. 100mm faders are just what i need and i am on a budget.

my question to you folks is, i see 2 screws on the sideplates of the BCF-2000. does unscrewing these simply remove the side plate? or is there an additional function of the side plate that i am unaware of?

The reason i ask is i would like to chain 2 or 3 of them together. And i think removing a side plate on each and joining them together (adding a bridge foot underneat since the sideplates double as feet) would make 2 units function physically more like 1 unit and reduce the space between the 2 units. It would make multiple BCF's seem more like 1 big BCF.
Plus i like to jury rig my stuff

thanks guys.

colin_h · Post by **colin_h** » Sun Apr 03, 2005 6:49 am

yup, you could totally do that...
first thing I did with my bcr2000
was take it apart to see if I could
reduce its footprint....
isn't it fun to obsess?

AdamJay · Post by **AdamJay** » Sun Apr 03, 2005 7:43 am

thanks colin...
photoshop time...

AdamJay · Post by **AdamJay** » Sun Apr 03, 2005 8:06 am

yea, like that.

Machinate · Post by **Machinate** » Sun Apr 03, 2005 8:37 am

so colin, there's no circuitry protruding into the sides right? I'm considering a dual bcr setup.

colin_h · Post by **colin_h** » Sun Apr 03, 2005 8:59 am

nope, and the screws are just backup; the sides snap-on...
i was also thinking along the same lines as yourself and adam;
would be fun to have all them knobs to tweak...

AdamJay · Post by **AdamJay** » Sun Apr 03, 2005 9:03 am

well i was personally looking at the Tascam US-2400 today at SamAsh.
but then i remembered it runs on the Mackie HUI spec and Live doesn't support that (too bad too because the eq setup on the 2400 is identical to an EQ4)

But then i realized , A) i don't need 24 channels. B) i can get the same functionality for 1/4 the price by mending two BCF-2000s. And i dont have to worry about the Mackie control spec.

I may even get creative and try to internally wire the midi out from one BCF to the in of the other BCF so they are chained internally.

Machinate · Post by **Machinate** » Sun Apr 03, 2005 9:05 am

I'm thinking of putting two bcrs in a guitar-pedal case or something similar, it should be pretty easy to find a case witht those dimensions

MrYellow · Post by **MrYellow** » Sun Apr 03, 2005 1:37 pm

I may even get creative and try to internally wire the midi out from one
BCF to the in of the other BCF so they are chained internally.

I'm no midi guru... but from my drum trigger project PIC code it works
like this.....

MIDI channel + note on/off bit
then
MIDI note bit
then
MIDI velocity bit

3 separate packets sent after each other, so joining the 2 onto the one
interface without any code between them would have this side-effect....

If you moved 2 things at once chances are the data from each would get
mixed up and confused with each other, but only if moved at exactly the
same time.....

edit: haven't looked at how CC works yet but assume it would be pretty
much the same...

-Ben

Machinate · Post by **Machinate** » Sun Apr 03, 2005 2:05 pm

-ben, I think it's quite easy to hook up one machine to the other machines midi in - without using the external midi plug. You just have to solder onto the board where the DIN plug is mounted. The code's already there, in the form of the midi input.

MrYellow · Post by **MrYellow** » Sun Apr 03, 2005 3:26 pm

midi out from one BCF to the in of the other BCF

ahh yup ok missed that.... Didn't realise they had in and out.

If you were to wire 2 devices to the same Midi OUT that's when the above
would become an issue....

-Ben

anamexis · Post by **anamexis** » Sun Apr 03, 2005 6:49 pm

I think it would be even cooler to put a BCF and a BCR together. Does anybody have both?

colin_h · Post by **colin_h** » Sun Apr 03, 2005 7:08 pm

just to clarify-
the plastic sides are just caps;
they snap/screw onto the metal
box itself. it shouldn't be too hard
to through-bolt a couple of them
together, but you would need to
compensate for the fact that the
side caps also serve as feet...
there are some tiny bolts on the
bottom of my BCR, two on each
side, that serve no purpose other
than to fill the hole they're in, so
maybe use those to jury rig some feet?

MarkH · Post by **MarkH** » Mon Apr 24, 2006 8:51 am

AdamJay wrote:well i was personally looking at the Tascam US-2400 today at SamAsh.
but then i remembered it runs on the Mackie HUI spec and Live doesn't support that (too bad too because the eq setup on the 2400 is identical to an EQ4)

I know this US-2400 is discontinued now, but everywhere I looked it says:

Fully-mapped control for any DAW that supports HUI™ or Mackie® Control protocols

Has anyone ever tried one with Live?

hoffman2k · Post by **hoffman2k** » Mon Apr 24, 2006 8:59 am

It's a rough design of what I would like