anybody got ableton "certified" ? is it useful?

[nebulae]

I don't know how the Canadian guy Noah got his certification in the first place, but it seems to be enough for him to earn a living teaching music out of the Rich Media Institute College. I don't know if he's in full residency there and/or doing other training courses other than Live, but AFAIK he ain't having to work in a factory most days.

I still think it's hilarious that in all 4,500,000 square miles of Canada there is 1 dude that has Ableton's official stamp of approval.

Should this be looked at as a measurement of demand? Let's ask Noah.

Clearly, this is an indication that NAFTA does not work.

[H20nly]

I totally agree with you... I've read everything possible on ableton 7 and 8, I'm already a teacher, so I think i'm ready to teach the software....

Perfect. Now get some paper and write Certified at the top in big bold letters. Be sure to include a date and the stamp below on it.










Now that you're bona fide , how much would you charge me to learn how to sidechain and set up this APC 40?

[leedsquietman]

Probably the flood gates will open if they ever did do a clinic here. There are many, many Canadians using Live. If I wasn't presently unemployed and had some spare cash, I'd be tempted to do the certification myself, but I feel that Benoit won't be the only one in the classroom if they do bring a certification course here. Even bringing it to Buffalo, NY is a major hassle these days with all the post 911 cross border checking and malarky and doesn't help anyone outside the Golden Horseshoe/Niagara area.

[tigali]

I've been meaning to get certified since last year. I already teach Live, and I have extensive teaching experience in other areas (Sound Engineering, Radio Production) and I've written manuals in use at my place of work. My problem is I have to be proficient in another DAW before I can get certified. I am now in the strange position of trying to get proficient in Logic so that I can get certified in Ableton Live .
There don't seem to be enough hours in the day for me to get around to learning Logic while keeping up with my work commitments. I also have no real desire to learn Logic as I'm so comfortable with Live. Before Live I just used tape or digital hard disk recorders with analogue desks. Live was the first DAW I got into. Trying to get into Logic is proving to be tough going as I just don't find the program that interesting. Frankly, it's boring the pants off me. I am determined to do it though. I have some time off coming and it looks like I'll be spending it in front of Logic. Why can I not get excited about that prospect?

[nebulae]

^ so being proficient in another DAW is required for this cert as well? How are you supposed to prove that?

[benoit-1842]

I totally agree with you... I've read everything possible on ableton 7 and 8, I'm already a teacher, so I think i'm ready to teach the software....

Perfect. Now get some paper and write Certified at the top in big bold letters. Be sure to include a date and the stamp below on it.

Now that you're bona fide , how much would you charge me to learn how to sidechain and set up this APC 40?

I will not charge you for your first question about sidechaining...But I think I have the best way to use it in Live 7 and 8... I experiment a lot with this effect....

[tigali]

I have a fairly unique approach to teaching side-chaining. It basically involves me coming over to your studio/workspace and using only some toilet paper and my ass. I have found students never need ask about side-chaining again once they've been through one of these individually designed sessions.

[pepezabala]

Institut FATIMA certifies you as well, at half price!!

Contact me (PM) for details.

[beats me]

I've been meaning to get certified since last year. I already teach Live, and I have extensive teaching experience in other areas (Sound Engineering, Radio Production) and I've written manuals in use at my place of work. My problem is I have to be proficient in another DAW before I can get certified. I am now in the strange position of trying to get proficient in Logic so that I can get certified in Ableton Live .
There don't seem to be enough hours in the day for me to get around to learning Logic while keeping up with my work commitments. I also have no real desire to learn Logic as I'm so comfortable with Live. Before Live I just used tape or digital hard disk recorders with analogue desks. Live was the first DAW I got into. Trying to get into Logic is proving to be tough going as I just don't find the program that interesting. Frankly, it's boring the pants off me. I am determined to do it though. I have some time off coming and it looks like I'll be spending it in front of Logic. Why can I not get excited about that prospect?

Session view is great, if not a black hole of creative overkill that distracts you from ever completing a track, but I find arrange view very uninspiring. Bring it up now. Look at it. Bleh.

When I first got Logic I tried to just get things going using little more than my general knowledge of DAWs and working experience with Live and it's terminology. I soon found out that, that isn't a good way to go because you won't get very far before you're stumped with the differences and workflow. But after going through just the first chapter of the Logic certification book I understand it a lot better and look forward to when I can just get going on my own. The key with Logic is remembering the keystroke shortcuts and I find it a lot more inspiring and lending itself to finishing tracks because there's no session view to distract myself with. And I like Logic's appearance and am so over Live's "everything looks the same" GUI.

[alex.the.forge]

In other news I just started going through the same book that is used to certify people in Logic. This cost me all of $40 and the book is written so well that doing it with an instructor is almost zero value added other than instant feedback. I don't know if there is an official Ableton certification book available to the general public.

I can see the interest in getting certified in certain programs but what I don't see is shelling out thousands of dollars in a certification program that takes place over a single week or weekend. Nobody is going to be proficient in that short a period of time and that's a ridiculous amount of money to pay for reference books.

the certification events aren't about teaching you in a weekend - they are about testing your existing knowledge - you just wont be successful if your knowledge and teaching skills aren't up to scratch... and there are a few hoops to jump through before you get accepted to an event as well.

It's intended for people who are already teaching

[Tone Deft]

you can learn a lot by just watching someone with skillz use a software program, even if you know it already.

forge - stump us with a question.

[beats me]

In other news I just started going through the same book that is used to certify people in Logic. This cost me all of $40 and the book is written so well that doing it with an instructor is almost zero value added other than instant feedback. I don't know if there is an official Ableton certification book available to the general public.

I can see the interest in getting certified in certain programs but what I don't see is shelling out thousands of dollars in a certification program that takes place over a single week or weekend. Nobody is going to be proficient in that short a period of time and that's a ridiculous amount of money to pay for reference books.

the certification events aren't about teaching you in a weekend - they are about testing your existing knowledge - you just wont be successful if your knowledge and teaching skills aren't up to scratch... and there are a few hoops to jump through before you get accepted to an event as well.

It's intended for people who are already teaching

I know certification programs have their purpose and can be useful for teaching, but I think a lot of people look into them just so they can be a power user for their own projects that will turn them into a star and if that's the only purpose I think it's a waste of money and time would be better spent learning things on your own for a lot cheaper.

[housemusiclover]

couldn't afford it but this certification is free and probably useful as well: http://bit.ly/cQmu9q

[Hermanus]

I've seen many users that share their knowledge, being certified or not.
As long as you love your stuff and want to share experience, no matter.

I guess you can think of being certified once you realize that you have done a good amount of teachings, good feedbacks from.

Ok the real good part is the cash side, you can charge more

[alex.the.forge]

It's intended for people who are already teaching

I know certification programs have their purpose and can be useful for teaching, but I think a lot of people look into them just so they can be a power user for their own projects that will turn them into a star and if that's the only purpose I think it's a waste of money and time would be better spent learning things on your own for a lot cheaper.

what makes you say that? A lot of money to spend just to be a "power user".

Just to clarify - you don't do a course at a certified training center and then become certified, the certification is for the instructors so that if people are looking to learn about Live they can go to someone who has been checked out and verified by Ableton. That's really all it is. They may have raised the bar by introducing it though in that now it notices if a teacher isn't certified, but it's really just a form of quality control.