MAC Pro or PC for a DAW?

[heavensdaw]

it's always the Mac people ranting about their computers.

Maybe cause there's something to RAVE about ... tbh don't see much ranting going on here.. YMMV

I HATE computers.. THAT'S why I LOVE Macs.. Have done since around 1990.

My experience has shown me (maybe I keep getting 'lucky') that they are VERY reliable, well built and ROCK fooking solid... Applecare (yes you have to pay extra 100 bucks or so for it) Is pretty awesome too.. Again YMMV.

Peace

Hd

[Donnie]

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I dunno dude, ive had pcs running forever. Even with quality components pcs are waaay cheaper than macs. Of course if you buy some shit brand like Dell or HP its likely you will get cheap ass components. Its also not much of a time investment once you know what you are doing, which is pretty damn easy these days.

...and trash systems learning to overclock LOL. Yeah right maybe if you just go poking around without doing research. Seriously, LOL. As far as overclocking a production machine...its not worth the potential stability problems on a production machine anyways imo. Maybe some people do it, but I wouldn't recommend it for audio.

Also on the price tip, I just bought a lenovo i7 laptop that I haven't had one audio glitch on, and that even runs all my games on high settings, for 1000 bucks. How much you think that macbooks gonna be when it comes out. When it comes out.

I just slap a mac sticker on the back of my laptop and call it a day hehe. We all know mac logos generate better music.

[SubFunk]

I could easily build a Nehalem based PC computer that could run MacOSX flawlessly for less than half of what you payed for a mac pro. I mean $2500 for 3gb of ram and an xeon. That's outrageous. 1 640gb hard drive. I could raid 0 2 750gb with 2 1tb's in raid 1 for that price. Just get a nehalem based i7 920. It's the same freaking thing. It just doesn't have dual qpi capabilities. Overclock it to 4ghz(they do this easy) and call it a day. And you can overclock it because pc's have bios. gt120. Yuck. I could put in a ati 5870 for that price. Anyway build a pc for $2500 and I can tell you the parts to get that is guaranteed to run MacOSX.

As said before not selfbuilding.. go in a decend computer shop and buy a professional ready build xenon pc.. how much cheaper as a mac is it than?

and how much per hour is his time worth gaining that knowledge to built such a computer and supply it to others?

'milchmaedchen rechnung' that is.

[SubFunk]

I HATE computers.. THAT'S why I LOVE Macs.

totally! i am not a computer nerd, i am a sound engineer and producer/dj and i can concentrate my energies on the things that are vital to accomplish those jobs with perfection. and not with mucking about with fucking computer shit, i could care less about.

note on the side, exactly the reason why i love maschine so much right now, it let's me forget the shit computer is even there... and i still have all the incredible power and flexibility and advantages only a computer / software based product can give... bliss, pure bliss.

[Donnie]

As said before, no selfbuilding..

What, so you have to get ripped off by a big company for it to be valid? Shit dude, part of the appeal of the PC is that you DONT have to do that! Just have a computer geek friend do it for you.

[oblique strategies]

Applecare (yes you have to pay extra 100 bucks or so for it) Is pretty awesome too.. Again YMMV.

big up fe Apple Care, mon!

[3phase]

no.. its not about having a job in the computer biz.. its about producing music..

the "milchmädchen rechnung" ( stupid calkuations) is that you compare do it yourself halfbaked crap with professional highend products... that you indeed can send back to aple if they dont work..

i had this succesfully in the past after purchasing a bad apple...

try to do that with your overclocked ( "they do that easily " ) eye cancer causing pc monster..


If you look around in the studios of the world you see apples..apples..apples.. one pc for wavelab...

apples apples apples..

why???


pretty much the same reason why you see neuman mikes and steinway grands, SSL consoles and moog or roland synthezisers instead selbuild but cheaper variations of that..

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[Donnie]

LOL I have a tiny shuttle computer in my studio, you dont even see it under the desk.

[3phase]

sure.. your studio.. and this has multiple recording rooms, acoustic designed monitoring and is booked by many artitsts?

ok,,. its your studio. i should have better said recording studios..

of cause there are many pc´s in private producer rooms... otherwise no one would use theese things for music production..

Its allways funny that the people that claim that pcs are absoloutly no trouble are allways the type that actualy could, or is making a living with servicing pc´s..

I dont know a single person that can make a living with servicing macs... apple employes and dealers excluded of cause...


But its a big biz in the pc world...
why?

[Donnie]

sure.. your studio.. and this has multiple recording rooms, acoustic designed monitoring and is booked by many artitsts?

ok,,. its your studio. i should have better said recording studios..

of cause there are many pcß´s in private producer rooms... otherwise no one would use theese things for music production..

Its allways funy that the people that claim that pcs are absoloutly no trouble are allways the type that actualy could, or is making a living with servicing pc´s..

I dont know a single person that can make a living with servicing macs... apple employes and dealers excluded of cause...


But its a big biz in the pc world...
why?

Yeah man, I own a whole slew of studios. I release top selling album after album...just killing time on the Ableton forums all day. But make no mistake my studios arent as big as my cock, cause thats like super huge too.

Priceless trolling as always

You cant make a living servicing macs because there is a monopoly on that business, why would anyone buy one without applecare?

Come on man, your making this too easy

[H20nly]

I dont know a single person that can make a living with servicing macs... apple employes and dealers excluded of cause...
But its a big biz in the pc world...
why?

http://www.google.com/search?q=mac+repa ... =firefox-a


I don't know any transsexuals or Al Qaeda either, doesn't mean they don't exist... AND excel at their... hobbies.

[Tone Deft]

Even with quality components pcs are waaay cheaper than macs. Of course if you buy some shit brand like Dell or HP its likely you will get cheap ass components.

bullshit.

I'm one of the lucky users that has had very few problems with Live 8.1 and that's on my 5 year old HP DV8000 laptop. I also get GREAT midi sync with it, another thing many users aren't lucky with. I don't even maintain the thing, the OS drive is the original drive, no problems there. at the time it was also one of the few lappies to have dual drives. quality.

prior to that I had a Dell desktop. the only reason I stopped using that was because the video card failed after I accidentally kicked the connector. that machine lasted years.

[3phase]

I dont know a single person that can make a living with servicing macs... apple employes and dealers excluded of cause...
But its a big biz in the pc world...
why?

http://www.google.com/search?q=mac+repa ... =firefox-a


I don't know any transsexuals or Al Qaeda either, doesn't mean they don't exist... AND excel at their... hobbies.

people need constantly help on the software and instalation side when they are using pc´s..
they either have somebody to do it for them or they learn to do it themself..

to claim that pc´s are as userfriendly and reliable in operation as the apples is close to a lie.

However.. enough of this.. its not about converting people it was about buying advice for a daw..

And except the possebilty to safe some money when you learn to buld one yourself or the availibility of hacked software there is not much that really speeks for pc´s in a studio.

And thats the reason why in the music biz there are so much apples around...

[Tone Deft]

awesome, a 3phase mac rantfest, this should be productive.

[3phase]

I also get GREAT midi sync with it,

Do you have by chance reaktor and can do some timing measurements of the clock output of your machine?

would be interesting to know if your machine really measures better than standard pc´s