8.1.3???

[Tone Deft]

thanks for the input....might give her a whirl soon. I am sure there are some people working very hard to fix these issues, but I am a skeptic by nature.

you're joking, right? did you read the Quality thread? all new development has been halted. that's a huge deal. of course they're working on it.

one thing you seem to be missing is that users are beta testers and Ableton needs users to work WITH THEM to identify bugs.

That really sucks to hear that so many folks are having issues with Komplete 6. I don't have these issues in tools 8 but still going to have to ask some ?'s. I am going to head over to the Native Instruments forum and see if we can get to the bottom of this. Thanks for the info once again

guaranteed that if you name a piece of software someone in the world is having problems with it.

Still think we need a USER SECTION of the forum so we can have discussions without people who are using cracked software!?!

did you not notice the creation of the Lounge section? this is already kind of been done, separate out the OT chit chat from Live discussions.

a forum for users with Serial Numbers has been discussed, the problem is that new users thinking about getting Live couldn't get info. also, more forums would slow down traffic. this has been discussed many many times since you joined the forum and before.

[HeadrickProductions]

thanks for the input....might give her a whirl soon. I am sure there are some people working very hard to fix these issues, but I am a skeptic by nature.

you're joking, right? did you read the Quality thread? all new development has been halted. that's a huge deal. of course they're working on it.

one thing you seem to be missing is that users are beta testers and Ableton needs users to work WITH THEM to identify bugs.

That really sucks to hear that so many folks are having issues with Komplete 6. I don't have these issues in tools 8 but still going to have to ask some ?'s. I am going to head over to the Native Instruments forum and see if we can get to the bottom of this. Thanks for the info once again

guaranteed that if you name a piece of software someone in the world is having problems with it.

Still think we need a USER SECTION of the forum so we can have discussions without people who are using cracked software!?!

did you not notice the creation of the Lounge section? this is already kind of been done, separate out the OT chit chat from Live discussions.

a forum for users with Serial Numbers has been discussed, the problem is that new users thinking about getting Live couldn't get info. also, more forums would slow down traffic. this has been discussed many many times since you joined the forum and before.

No I must have missed the quality thread.....Where is this thread???? There a quality issue....I was unaware

[Dennis DeSantis]

Thanks Dennis - I posed this question in a different thread. There have been so many versions that I've gotten debugging fatigue, so I was holding off downloading this RC in favor of waiting for the real one. But if there is a chance that this is the real one, I'll go ahead and try it.

Well, to clarify, this won't literally be the 8.1.3 release. This version is still a beta, so it has a time limit and other minor annoyances (the event recorder, for example.

But under the hood, we are hoping that there won't be substantial code changes necessary before we can release the final 8.1.3.

Best,

[Tone Deft]

Headrick -

please do continue to check this stuff out, thanks.

[d-track]

what abes are waiting for?
some people reported RC is fine, some are reported that it isn't. how surprising!
time to release

[hoffman2k]

Ah right. Forgot about the beta library. Live only asks you once and its been a while since it had to ask.

Given the amount of bugfixes and effort that Ableton put into this, you'd have to be crazy not to try it. You got their full attention, from support staff to the CEO.
Don't forget these guys and girls take pride in what they do.
They're just trying to bring back the Love to Live.

thanks for the input....might give her a whirl soon. I am sure there are some people working very hard to fix these issues, but I am a skeptic by nature.

That really sucks to hear that so many folks are having issues with Komplete 6 (also just read a thread about waves bundles too....blows cause I've got the SSL 4000 and it makes things sound sooooo much better!!!). I don't have these issues in tools 8 but still going to have to ask some ?'s. I am going to head over to the Native Instruments forum and see if we can get to the bottom of this. Thanks for the info once again

If there trying to put back the love in live......Go to Mempho, find Isaac Hayes. That man could bring back the love in the Middle East.

Still think we need a USER SECTION of the forum so we can have discussions without people who are using cracked software!?!

As far as I am aware, Hayes stopped spreading the love when he joined scientology.

You say you might give it a whirl soon. Your choice, your right.
I've known several cases of bugs being fixed within 24 hours of the report along with the message "please try the next beta".
As far as your chances for seeing a more stable Live. You'll never have it better than today.

I'm not sure why people are scared from the beta's. Because technically they're the last version + fixes. But I'm guessing it has a lot to do with what people read.
And you'll probably only read negative stuff, because everything else is just a "fanboy" rambling which will always spiral down into pointless arguments and ends with a link to the quality sticky.... Which is either from a few months ago or from a few hundred bugs ago depending on your view.

Honestly, stop relying on other people. Rely only on your own judgment and your own bug reports to improve your experience on your systems. While it sounds selfish, in the long run you prevented somebody from running into what you experienced. And somebody might have done the same for you without you ever knowing it.

[Hermanus]

come on everyone, are you not happy and proud for being able to try the very last version of our lovely music sooftware?

I'm glad for this RC, not because it crashes or not, but because we can help Abes.

[3phase]

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I'm not sure why people are scared from the beta's.

thats easy.. you cant load things done in a beta in a previous beta and many betas went worse than theire predecessors.. so you never know what you are into when using a beta..except that your material will be unaccesible when t shows problems

[squelcht]

Damn---8.1.3 has been working pretty good for awhile until last night. Was working with the Maschine & it crashed on me. All I did was clear one of the pads on the Maschine (shift + erase + corresponding pad to be cleared) & away Ableton went...I was working on that certain project/band/beat for a good long time too My own damn fault for not saving it earlier---However just as Dennis said "Live simply should not crash".. I did have a Max patch on a send channel...That could have something to do with it---However the instant I pressed shift+erase+pad---BAM. Rant over - Time for work

[hoffman2k]

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I'm not sure why people are scared from the beta's.

thats easy.. you cant load things done in a beta in a previous beta and many betas went worse than theire predecessors.. so you never know what you are into when using a beta..except that your material will be unaccesible when t shows problems

But in your case, how much worse can it get? If you don't back up your material and overwrite sets, sure, you're begging for trouble.
And you resisted against the beta's at first too, you aren't avoiding them now. In fact, from what I can tell you're helping Ableton a lot and some of your bugs are getting worked on and confirmed.

I'm sure even you are starting to lose the point of why you are fighting in every thread where the word Ableton even comes up.
Just face it, if you didn't like Live, You would have left ages ago. And if you didn't care, you wouldn't have spent possibly hundreds of hours saying the same thing.

Your bugs are being attended to and from what I read in one of your threads, tighter sync to external hardware is coming.
I'm not sure if your ranting really paid off anything for yourself, but your recent bug reports will really pay off for a lot of Mac users.

Also, don't mix up situations please. Headrick wants his plugins to work. I'm pretty sure he's not planning on a show with a beta he's not even sure of installing. His crash report could lead to a fix for a bug you have yet to encounter. There is nothing to win for you by discouraging others not to help. Especially since you're helping too.

I pledge one beer for every bug that gets fixed because of you. Not sure if you plan on going to SonneMondSterne, but if you are you may be crawling to your tent!

[esky]

I tried to scan my Library. It works in 8.0.9, it doesn't in 8.1.1 and 8.1.3RC.

[HeadrickProductions]

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I'm not sure why people are scared from the beta's.

thats easy.. you cant load things done in a beta in a previous beta and many betas went worse than theire predecessors.. so you never know what you are into when using a beta..except that your material will be unaccesible when t shows problems

But in your case, how much worse can it get? If you don't back up your material and overwrite sets, sure, you're begging for trouble.
And you resisted against the beta's at first too, you aren't avoiding them now. In fact, from what I can tell you're helping Ableton a lot and some of your bugs are getting worked on and confirmed.

I'm sure even you are starting to lose the point of why you are fighting in every thread where the word Ableton even comes up.
Just face it, if you didn't like Live, You would have left ages ago. And if you didn't care, you wouldn't have spent possibly hundreds of hours saying the same thing.

Your bugs are being attended to and from what I read in one of your threads, tighter sync to external hardware is coming.
I'm not sure if your ranting really paid off anything for yourself, but your recent bug reports will really pay off for a lot of Mac users.

Also, don't mix up situations please. Headrick wants his plugins to work. I'm pretty sure he's not planning on a show with a beta he's not even sure of installing. His crash report could lead to a fix for a bug you have yet to encounter. There is nothing to win for you by discouraging others not to help. Especially since you're helping too.

I pledge one beer for every bug that gets fixed because of you. Not sure if you plan on going to SonneMondSterne, but if you are you may be crawling to your tent!

That is what I'm talking about. A little motivation via a beer per bug is something that would get a little more people on board. So if I download this new version of 8.1.3 R there is nothing that can screw up my computer. That is my main concern because I don't have that program yet to copy the iso of the computer.

That is my concern. As well I do not know the first thing about bug reports, or crash logs, or any of the tech. side of these programs (otherwise I'd apply for a job). I am a musician who has just really gotten obsessed with what programs like this and reason can do for real musicians. Someone said that there is something in this new beta that does this for me...Is this true. If so I'll download it.

Call me selfish, but it would be nice to get something for my time spent helping, but I guess I will be able to get a more stable program....and that should be enough.

[hoffman2k]

That is what I'm talking about. A little motivation via a beer per bug is something that would get a little more people on board. So if I download this new version of 8.1.3 R there is nothing that can screw up my computer. That is my main concern because I don't have that program yet to copy the iso of the computer.

That is my concern. As well I do not know the first thing about bug reports, or crash logs, or any of the tech. side of these programs (otherwise I'd apply for a job). I am a musician who has just really gotten obsessed with what programs like this and reason can do for real musicians. Someone said that there is something in this new beta that does this for me...Is this true. If so I'll download it.

Call me selfish, but it would be nice to get something for my time spent helping, but I guess I will be able to get a more stable program....and that should be enough.

It can't be easier. It automatically creates a pack if it crashes. If there's a bug that doesn't cause crashes, you can do a bugreport snapshot which also creates a pack. That pack has all the info Ableton needs.
Email it in and they'll take it from there.

The reward to go for is definitely a more stable Live. That is the reason I'm trying to talk you into this. Its a reward we can all enjoy.

You don't need an entire ISO copy. Multiple versions of Live can coexist. And as Dennis already pointed out earlier, a beta library ensures that your current library isn't overwritten. It's basically a second library folder. I'd still suggest backing up the library regularly though. Just don't overwrite current project files should you need to go back.
But what the hell, I pledge a beer should you have to go back to 8.1.1. Of which I'm sure you wont, since 8.1.3 is a significant improvement and thanks to 3phase we can expect even some tighter MIDI in an upcoming update.

I'm done pledging beers for today. I can get the best beer cheap enough, but shipping is murder when I follow trough.

[Tone Deft]

seeing as how Ableton now apparently owes you an entire beer factory for your bug tracking the price shouldn't matter.

[Dennis DeSantis]

I'd buy you guys a beer, anytime. That should be worth something...