anyone completely lost with the BASICS of the Live API?

[Tone Deft]

thank you markemark! weird, why wouldn't it copy?


LOFA - for me the basics are two-fold.
1 - learning to get, set, observe and use live.path, live.observer, live.remote and live.object.

2 - learning the basic max objects that glue these together.

we've touched on #1, for #2 it's getting used to seeing how the [trigger] object is used. [t b l l], things like that. the bang output goes to trigger messages for the other live dot objects downstream from live.path. the list outputs are the id for the thing live.path is looking at.

it's a really really basic concept but part of the learning curve. second to that would be understanding the message building and parsing objects, anything from [pack]/[unpack], [route], [sel] and the massive [zl] object and how they're used. in hindsight it's all quite simple. shit. lol!

my $0.02.

Monday night I did a brain dump of what I wish I could've told myself of 3 months ago. it was just some rough notes, nothing fancy, I sent it out to a few people, never heard back so I guess it's not all that helpful. lol!

here are some other basic demos that might help people get going. this is what I've been sitting down with after work poking through all this. frankly I'm in a great groove cycling and making tunes which has taken away from my m4L energies. oh well, I have forever to learn this and even the smallest of victories make me giggle.


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hth I'd love to have some more low level discussions, simple tasks and goals to work with.

[Markemark]

thank you markemark! weird, why wouldn't it copy?


LOFA - for me the basics are two-fold.
1 - learning to get, set, observe and use live.path, live.observer, live.remote and live.object.

2 - learning the basic max objects that glue these together.

we've touched on #1, for #2 it's getting used to seeing how the [trigger] object is used. [t b l l], things like that. the bang output goes to trigger messages for the other live dot objects downstream from live.path. the list outputs are the id for the thing live.path is looking at.

it's a really really basic concept but part of the learning curve. second to that would be understanding the message building and parsing objects, anything from [pack]/[unpack], [route], [sel] and the massive [zl] object and how they're used. in hindsight it's all quite simple. shit. lol!

my $0.02.

Monday night I did a brain dump of what I wish I could've told myself of 3 months ago. it was just some rough notes, nothing fancy, I sent it out to a few people, never heard back so I guess it's not all that helpful. lol!

here are some other basic demos that might help people get going. this is what I've been sitting down with after work poking through all this. frankly I'm in a great groove cycling and making tunes which has taken away from my m4L energies. oh well, I have forever to learn this and even the smallest of victories make me giggle.


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hth I'd love to have some more low level discussions, simple tasks and goals to work with.

Tone, that patch was just missing a few ---- in the beginning, easy fix.
I find that learning the different objects in max and how they work like this.
1. Think long and hard what you want to accomplish.
2. You'll probably build it in your head with objects your already familiar with.
3. If I get stuck at number 2, that's when I start searching for and learning new objects to accomplish a certain task. I find I learn what the objects do and retain more info when the object is applied not just studied for the sake of learning new objects.
4. I always try to build with the least objects, of course this rarely happens since I have basic knowledge so far. This one train of thought has sent me to search for new objects that are more efficient.
As most of us know you can do one task many ways in max, and there's always a better way. As you learn more objects you can clean up old patches that were a huge mess.
......end of ramble

[Tone Deft]

it's a good ramble.

IMO a lot of it is list processing which I'm finding to be a deep and important part of max programming.

that and the @#$%^&^%$#ing day job taking up all my time and energy!!

/harumph

[LOFA]

you are almost there

Code: Select all

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In this case (you are looking at the app object), the output is as follows:

Code: Select all

print: info id 1
print: info type Application
print: info description This class represents the Live application.
print: info child view View
print: info property canonical_parent NoneType
print: info function get_bugfix_version
print: info function get_document
print: info function get_major_version
print: info function get_minor_version
print: info done

so all you need is some route objects to parse the output.

nick

Oh hell yeah! And, thanks, Markemark, for adjusting the code.

I have spent the last week dealing with the aches and pains of jet-lag and setting up a 4-6 screen, extended display with the new ati radeon 5870's (btw, don't even try it without a budget for "x-2" active dualdisplay ports, x being the target number, and a huge price tag at that!) ... it's soo nice to just have some valuable information handed to me... !!!

I can't wait to sink my route objects into this!!!

[LOFA]

thank you markemark! weird, why wouldn't it copy?


LOFA - for me the basics are two-fold.
1 - learning to get, set, observe and use live.path, live.observer, live.remote and live.object.

2 - learning the basic max objects that glue these together.

we've touched on #1, for #2 it's getting used to seeing how the [trigger] object is used. [t b l l], things like that. the bang output goes to trigger messages for the other live dot objects downstream from live.path. the list outputs are the id for the thing live.path is looking at.

it's a really really basic concept but part of the learning curve. second to that would be understanding the message building and parsing objects, anything from [pack]/[unpack], [route], [sel] and the massive [zl] object and how they're used. in hindsight it's all quite simple. shit. lol!

my $0.02.

Monday night I did a brain dump of what I wish I could've told myself of 3 months ago. it was just some rough notes, nothing fancy, I sent it out to a few people, never heard back so I guess it's not all that helpful. lol!

here are some other basic demos that might help people get going. this is what I've been sitting down with after work poking through all this. frankly I'm in a great groove cycling and making tunes which has taken away from my m4L energies. oh well, I have forever to learn this and even the smallest of victories make me giggle.


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hth I'd love to have some more low level discussions, simple tasks and goals to work with.

TD, man, I greatly appreciate this post and this thread. I think once both of us have this all under control it will be immensely rewarding, both in what we will create and with what we will be able to share.

Once I get through this week's project I am going to jump back into this with my magnifying glass.