de reverberize?

4am · Post by **4am** » Mon Apr 11, 2005 8:09 pm

hi all,
i need to take away the reverb from some (single shot) percussive sounds i have sampled.
i've tried with filters, gate, eq.... nothing!
any idea?
thx

a.m.

randyh · Post by **randyh** » Mon Apr 11, 2005 9:32 pm

All you can do is shorten the decay. Simpler or impulse should work fine. Simpler has more control over the envelope though. You could also try a transient shaper, but all it really does is re-shape the envelope which you have complete control over already with Simpler. Dominion is free if you want to try it anyway. www.digitalfishphones.com I think.

-r

montrealbreaks · Post by **montrealbreaks** » Mon Apr 11, 2005 9:37 pm

4am wrote:hi all,
i need to take away the reverb from some (single shot) percussive sounds i have sampled.
i've tried with filters, gate, eq.... nothing!
any idea?
thx

a.m.

I am surprised that the gate didn't work... At least a little. You would still have the reverb on the percussive sound, but you could kill the tail at least.

Anyways, what about a wave editor and some judicious use of cutting and deleting? Or drawn volume envelopes?

AdamJay · Post by **AdamJay** » Mon Apr 11, 2005 9:44 pm

de-essing can help.

or if you recorded them in stereo, take out the utility plug and turn DOWN the width, this will make the samples MORE mono, which could help to make any stereo reverberations less drastic/noticable.

and no folks, thats not the utility trick

montrealbreaks · Post by **montrealbreaks** » Mon Apr 11, 2005 10:03 pm

AdamJay wrote:de-essing can help.

or if you recorded them in stereo, take out the utility plug and turn DOWN the width, this will make the samples MORE mono, which could help to make any stereo reverberations less drastic/noticable.

and no folks, thats not the utility trick

I think I figured out your "utility trick". You can use it as a volume controller in a pinch!

damn I'm good...

conny · Post by **conny** » Mon Apr 11, 2005 10:11 pm

montrealbreaks wrote: I think I figured out your "utility trick". You can use it as a volume controller in a pinch!

If thats new, then I'm very old

// C

montrealbreaks · Post by **montrealbreaks** » Mon Apr 11, 2005 10:22 pm

conny wrote:
montrealbreaks wrote: I think I figured out your "utility trick". You can use it as a volume controller in a pinch!
If thats new, then I'm very old

// C

Just being sarcastic... predictably I lost it in the vague communication of the internet.

conny · Post by **conny** » Mon Apr 11, 2005 10:36 pm

No, the loser is me. I didn't get it. Getting old and sleepy.
Bumping without thought.
(I'm looking for a smiley with no expression at all...)
// C

randyh · Post by **randyh** » Mon Apr 11, 2005 10:39 pm

AdamJay wrote:de-essing can help.

or if you recorded them in stereo, take out the utility plug and turn DOWN the width, this will make the samples MORE mono, which could help to make any stereo reverberations less drastic/noticable.

and no folks, thats not the utility trick

how will de-essing help? a de-esser is just a compressor that is only sensitive in the "ess" range (~4k). Compression will not help, so I don't see how a de-esser will, at least not on single-shot samples.

Great idea on the mono trick though. If the reverb is stereo and the samples are in the middle, you might be able to get rid of a lot of it this way without touching the sample.

Utility trick? Did I miss something?

-r

David · Post by **David** » Tue Apr 12, 2005 12:16 am

4am wrote:hi all,
i need to take away the reverb from some (single shot) percussive sounds i have sampled.
i've tried with filters, gate, eq.... nothing!
any idea?
thx

a.m.

Hi 4am,

Do you still have the reverb set up the exact same way i.e same settings, as when you applied it to your sounds? If so , feed a simple clap through the reverb and record the result, say, render a length of about 4 bars with the clap with the reverb turned on (mono, same sampling rate as your samples). If you then send me your samples, the clap with reverb and the same clap with no reverb applied I will try and take the reverb away from your samples. But the reverb settings must be the same or it wont work, or at least not very well.

Anyway, I would quite like to give this a shot to see if it works. No guarantees though.

regards,

David

forge · Post by **forge** » Tue Apr 12, 2005 1:41 am

randyh wrote:[

how will de-essing help? a de-esser is just a compressor that is only sensitive in the "ess" range (~4k). Compression will not help, so I don't see how a de-esser will, at least not on single-shot samples.

-r

it might help because alot of the most noticeable frequencies will be around that range

3phase · Post by **3phase** » Tue Apr 12, 2005 2:44 pm

prosoniq
sonicworx had a good dereveberator algorythm

randyh · Post by **randyh** » Wed Apr 13, 2005 4:00 am

forge wrote:
randyh wrote:[

how will de-essing help? a de-esser is just a compressor that is only sensitive in the "ess" range (~4k). Compression will not help, so I don't see how a de-esser will, at least not on single-shot samples.

-r
it might help because alot of the most noticeable frequencies will be around that range

A de-esser compresses the *entire* signal. It's not a narrow-band compressor, it's a wide-band compressor that is sensetive only to a narrow band. I still don't see the use in this case. Compression is only going to make the problem worse by bringing the volume of the reverb tail up!

-r

AdamJay · Post by **AdamJay** » Wed Apr 13, 2005 4:13 am

randyh....
sorry man i haven't the energy to debate with you on every little technical thing i say.

i didn't say that de-essing would be the end all be all. just that it can help.
removing reverb is like data recovery... often it takes multiple little 'tricks' to get the job done. De Essing isn't hugely powerful but it can help the cause if used carefully.. using it in combination with removing the stereo field (utility), and careful EQing can be fruitful, or it can be useless. depends on the situation.

forgive me for not going into depth anymore than that... just tired...

4am · Post by **4am** » Wed Apr 13, 2005 7:56 pm

thank you all for all the suggestions
i'm starting to have some encouraging results with a mix of all those techniques...

i did not apply the reverb when those percussion sounds where recorded,
sadly (for me) it was already done because the sounds come from an acousti concert... anyway

good night and thx

-am

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