Help me write a tune and get my ass to Europe

[alex.the.forge]

its just intersting how much money can be generated with teaching ableton live...
in the past people did that just for free... but times are changing...
..

funny, I seem to remember paying my guitar teacher 20 odd years ago...

what? learning ablton preset styles is like the good ol guitar lessons? ready in 3 days to produce your "own" track?
I think you forgot a bit about the time and pain involved...
This is not instrument teaching here..
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Well I guess you must be just using pre-made loops and presets from someone else - if you're doing that then yeah I can see how Ableton is easy.... but for me Ableton goes WAY deeper than my guitar.... I can play whatever chord you like and sing a song around the camp fire if you like, but to come up with something impressive myself with a program like Ableton where there are so many possibilities is in a different league, I'm not sure how you could even attempt to argue otherwise really.... Maybe YOU forget that you already know how to use a DAW.

Besides, whatever you think of Tom or the idea, saying that posting one thread on the Ableton forum is spam is a bit of a stretch, to me it's way more pathetic to be going into that thread and attempting to shit all over it like you are... I mean all it says to everyone here is that you are bitter and jaded with way too much time on your hands....

[q.musgrove]

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yeah, it would seem that he's just a tad bitter. He probably knows he wouldn't get shit from anyone around here and it he's just pissed that cosm can.

@3phase

quit crying
1. the forum is moderated by ableton not you
2. people can spend their money however they want
3. One can learn something new from another by watching something that's only slightly related (no matter how simple) just because it's a different style or approach to the process of what is being learned.

[UKRuss]

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But carry on, because - honestly - watching you attempt to fling insults and ridicule Tom Cosm's way is fucking priceless.

this "get my ass over to europe thread" is fucking priceless... and i am not the only one seeing it like that..

And i really dont see something special in the work of tom cosm.. he is not the mother teresa of electronic music..

ther are others that do so much more like theese monome guys..or the patchers of all the modular softwares out there that share huge pieces of work or the guys that hacked lives api and share that info.or or... none of them boosts theire profile in cosm style ways... the real gurus are much more quite..and dont even ask for donations or at least in silent unintrusive ways.

And none of them is doing such useless simple things like teaching ableton live to the ones that dont have the balls to try something themself...

what is on an easy software like ableton live a pretty lame attitude anyway...

anyway.. great that he is teaching the ones that are poor in skills and vision..but that isnt really something that gets much respekt from me..
at least not anymore after this disgusting money raising projekt..

leting people get him a new laptop is rather cute ...
but abusing music and selling it in such ways? sorry man..

that desreves indeed a hammer...

Its really funny how much you fanboys are willing to idealize software or related people..
its some kind of replacement relegion for you..or?

like teenagers beeing AC/DC fans in the past.. instead playing themself in a punk band )

you are really priceless... a whole industrie is living from you

You make money from music by selling your generic shit, and it is, I've heard it.

No difference IMO.

[dum]

Ok ladies, just to be clear the following comment is isolated to this 'idea' solely. Not the tutorials he's done previously, or the idea of selling content, etc. With regard cosm my opinions on that are private. I have no issue with his modus operandi up until this point.

But this idea seems really crass to me, a kind of opportunistic prostitution/begging hybrid.
I think if he wanted to raise money he should have gone about it the way he always has up until this point. Offer some sound pack for X amount of dollars, even say he's using the money to get to europe - whatever. (Perhaps this causes him INCOME TAX issues ?) But this idea...is really poor judgement, and poor taste. That people are willing to participate is no proof or sign that it is a good or righteous idea.

He could have done this make-a-track thing for 'free' as a promotion for something else he was selling.

This idea ...is just sad. And reminds me of the questionable nature of his paypal woes he spoke about a while back, accepting charity donations when clearly he is not a charity or legally sanctioned to do so - blaming paypal for the situation. Fuck sake, people can't just go around calling themselves a charity or claim to be operating on behalf of one. That is FRAUD 101 ... genuine intentions or not. How paypal were portrayed as bad guys in that situation is beyond me, but I digress.

There's a fine line between accepting personal donations, and SOLICITING. and paypal called him on it. and now this ? .... seriously, I think for the sake of reputation alone the guy should stick to straight forward content selling.



So, have at you, let the flames lick my buttocks. I am covered in scotch guard.







ps: UKruss - lol ... that statement is rich. You're not into techno I take it ?
I looked you up on discogs and all I could find was a jpeg of a stray dog chewing on a used tampon.

[Hertz SM]

...great that he is teaching the ones that are poor in skills and vision...

Before developing your own handwriting you better learn how to write at all.

[dum]

...great that he is teaching the ones that are poor in skills and vision...

Before developing your own handwriting you better learn how to write at all.

an interesting analogy, but 3phases point has more to do with the stories one chooses to write not strictly the act of writing itself.

[tw1nstates]

Just came into the end of this thread, but thought that this comment by Tom earlier pretty much summed it up

I work really hard, often for free, to get people up to speed with Ableton quickly, so I can do things exactly like this. They are a lot of fun and make my life happier.

You're not into it. Got it loud and clear.

Honestly haven't you lot got better things to do than to be a total bunch of c*nts?

The guys is trying something different to go and do something he wants to do. If you don't like it don't participate, but the comments on how it's disgusting and people should tech for free or that getting people into Ableton is somehow a bad thing are elitist, ridiculous and a whole host of other negative things that aren't really worth writing about.

So what if you don't like his methods - I personally must say that his studio to live thing is excellent and judging by some of the comments here there are a few ppl who would have kept their 'hard won' knowledge to themselves. We get better together - that's the way things work. yeah years ago there weren't the same resources available and it took much longer, more power to the kids that can snag a few tutorials and start making beats. It took me a long time but I am happy for others that it's quicker- yes more identikit stuff on the market for sure however eventually they are gonna want to be better and more original and that's when it gets fun. . .
If you listen to much of the music from the 90s it sounds like shit (not all of it but a lot) now a LOT of stuff sounds better - partly cos the barrier to entry has become lower so it's not your financial resources that stop you.

Fuck this reminds me of gearslutz where people start complaining that their precious analogue gear has been emulated or that kids can get cracks of stuff they paid top dollar for or that they like UAD cos they know kids cant get cracks of it so they can feel superior and smug knowing that they have shit others dont.

I am thankful for Toms getting stuff live tutorials, I have turned other ppl on to them and never given the guy a penny.

So for that, I am gonna donate something to him. More as a gesture of thanks that's been a while coming. . .

[3phase]

...great that he is teaching the ones that are poor in skills and vision...

Before developing your own handwriting you better learn how to write at all.

an interesting analogy, but 3phases point has more to do with the stories one chooses to write not strictly the act of writing itself.

true.. its totaly allwright to do production and sound design courses... but the way that is offered here together with the
"all styles available" attitude is embarrassing somehow..
Its allways funny when techno haters use techno toys and teach techno production techniques.. might be even inspirational..
but to start telling that you have to have 32 bar intros and a break down there .. and build up fx sounds here and there..and than you have a propper track... oh oh...make my stomage rotate
Cant we leave that decission to the users? even when they do "mistakes" there?

I actualy like to hear that mistakes, or the real soul behind tracks and not the work of cosm trained techno robots...
That part of the offer is even more disgusting than the financing cheme behind it.
In the end of the day style is the virtousity of electronic music..

So please teach production.. but leave the styles alone... just the try to do so is selling snake oil..

[3phase]

It took me a long time but I am happy for others that it's quicker- yes more identikit stuff on the market for sure however eventually they are gonna want to be better and more original and that's when it gets fun. . ..

Are you sure about that? is that the reality of making music? the reality of playing?
Is the banality of having all info availible in minutes not leading to banality?


Is it good to have massive sample and sound preset libarys..perfect programmed beats and production tutorials the day you start.. from beginner to release in a matter of days? And loosing interest quickly because that was all too easy?
Is that really helping or just money making ?

Instead selling instruments and tools they sell "making music" itself...


can you explain why in the times instruments are new so many styles get developed... while in the times schools start to offer theire services all development stops? .. Or do people that teach the art only show up after the development has stopped?..some kind of culture vultures?


I still have an old paper bag from roland .. from the purchase of a 606 in 84.. Black on orange the logo..

"we design the future"

they really did it in a way... even the cryptic manuals in fidyi english was part of that...

Who is designing the future now?

[UKRuss]

ps: UKruss - lol ... that statement is rich. You're not into techno I take it ?
I looked you up on discogs and all I could find was a jpeg of a stray dog chewing on a used tampon.

No-one does dogtamponchewing beats like me man, you can take that to the bank.

srsyl though, for me music is fun and a hobby. I don't really enjoy seeing one pro (as 3phase is of course even if his stuff is, in my view, pretty generic) harassing a fellow pro, as COSM is also.

As i said before I like his approach it's innovative, it's a new business model and good on him. To rag on him for doing this in 2010 smacks of older pros harking back to the good old days when they could rip off wannabe DJs and vinyl store hangers-on with their exorbitant label driven vinyl prices and ridiculous remix fees.

One need look no further than the 'glory days' of techno vinyl in order to get a real glimpse of what it is actually like to rip off punters with generic music.

s'what I'm sayin'.

[oneummon]

Music making is nowadays almost like some fu*king graphic designing. You watch the tutorials how this envelope should

look like to make sound of Tiesto, Skooter, Villalobos or some other generic/overrated artist...The same goes with these hip hop

tutorials. I want to believe that there's only a minority of people who are really willing to pay 125 for naming a track! If you can't resist

by a snare for good sake and use the rest for Computer Music magazine subscription. There's a really nice looking tutorials with

delicious layouts.

- Procrastinate from using ears.

[Poster]

Who is designing the future now?

we..

wake up man.. you obviously got stuck into your own moral standards somewhere in the 80's..

as I said to you in another thread; learn to recognize, create and grab opportunities..
learn to addapt to and eat the fruits of today's offerings..
you can spit on everything that doesn't fit in yesterday's society but if it works for some then why shouldn't it for you?

really, the impression I have from you is that you've been here a long time already but you're just too stubborn to flow along with any contemporary flux..
this is 2010.. things have changed you know?

[Poster]

Music making is nowadays almost like some fu*king graphic designing.

don't even go there..

[3phase]

Who is designing the future now?

we..

wake up man.. you obviously got stuck into your own moral standards somewhere in the 80's..

as I said to you in another thread; learn to recognize, create and grab opportunities..
learn to addapt to and eat the fruits of today's offerings..
you can spit on everything that doesn't fit in yesterday's society but if it works for some then why shouldn't it for you?

really, the impression I have from you is that you've been here a long time already but you're just too stubborn to flow along with any contemporary flux..
this is 2010.. things have changed you know?

i am rather interested in the futures originals than contemporary fluxes...

i am fluxig way to much here in berlin... belife me.. i am well conected to what is going on here and there...

And that i dont like preset culture is not old fashioned..belife me.. the future will show that this is rather futuristic.it allways was and ever will be..

and regarding techno toys ..i still test most of them.. mfl is actually the only flux i never dared to touch.. i wouldnt have time for the internet than anymore.
if you call that stubborn.. so be it

besides.. i know people that are max fans for a decade now..or more..its also not really a brand new thing..

but defently deep...

[pepezabala]

Oh Tom, you Most Certified Trainer! Your idea is awesome. I love it. Ignore the haters. You build yourself a community, you have given a lot to them for free, so it's totally legit to ask for money when you need it, and even better when you do it in a crazy-idea-style.

really, I love it.