OT: OSX 10.4 Tiger will be available the 29th of April..

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Post by polyslax » Wed Apr 13, 2005 1:56 am

AdamJay wrote:i just caught this as welll...

"Apple includes several Audio Units in Mac OS X, including one that adjusts timing without affecting pitch, a Velocity Engine-optimized reverb and a sample rate converter."
That did it... one click order complete!
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Network and MIDI ?

Post by bighorse » Wed Apr 13, 2005 2:39 am

AdamJay wrote:you guys see this? :
http://www.apple.com/macosx/features/coreaudio/

in other words, with Tiger, anyone using a 3rd party soundcard just got another set of outputs as they can now add their stock soundcards functionality.
Did anyone notice that there is a 'Network' icon on that screenshot (see link above) in the MIDI setup utility... perhaps it's wishful thinking but is there a chance that means macs will share MIDI over a network now?
That would be mighty handy!

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Post by AdamJay » Wed Apr 13, 2005 2:50 am

yea, now if only they could incorporate a wormhole-esque audio over lan functionality.... Maybe for OSX 10.5 "Lion" hehe.

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Post by 12micsn1 » Wed Apr 13, 2005 4:12 am

Tiger is is the stepping stone for whats to really come. Hopefully, these true 64 bit apps and plugins will come streams and droves.

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Post by LOFA » Wed Apr 13, 2005 5:29 am

I just pre-ordered mine for 69 dollars with a student discount (from Apple). They say It will be at my door by the 29th.

Back to what Hoffman2k was saying... I've had my Desktop since this time 2004. I'm glad it will finally be running at it's 64-bit splendor!

Now, right now I am capable of loading up programs in OS9 and OSX. Will this be an issue in Tiger? I mean, OSX.4 is OSX, so I am sure that programs will be fine, but how about continued use of OS9? I've heared talk in the past about Apple wanting to do away with OS9 because of it's hackability (for example the fact that super expensive Logic 7 only runs on OSX). Also, I am curious about what will happen with drivers, and if I will have to wait to install the new OSX for the sake of my current hardware.

Yeah, I know. Lot's of questions. But these are just the tip of the iceberg, I'm sure were gonna be hearing the word tiger around here like we did Operator in February.
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Post by AdamJay » Wed Apr 13, 2005 5:42 am

Lofa, tiger will have no effect on Classic.
how Classic operates in Panther should stay exactly the same in Tiger.

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Post by drush » Wed Apr 13, 2005 6:09 am

AdamJay wrote:yea, now if only they could incorporate a wormhole-esque audio over lan functionality.... Maybe for OSX 10.5 "Lion" hehe.
between the distributed plug-in processing thing that Logic does now and XGrid, they definitely seem to be getting there

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Post by noisetonepause » Wed Apr 13, 2005 8:47 am

LOFA wrote:while they specifically optimize their system for performance in their own software (specifically Logic, perhaps garage band as well.)
Did you know that Garage Band is essentially Logic's audio engine with a different interface?

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Post by LOFA » Wed Apr 13, 2005 10:13 am

Paws,
I've read all kinds stuff that hints at that (which is what led to my inclusion of that name,) but if you have a link or something I would be really interested.
I am really interested in Apples strategy to get back on top. Jobs doesn't seem like the type to take things lying down. I think he's out for blood, and this whole audio biz might help him get there.

Hell, I just watched Alien Vs. Predator to relax from a paper. I'm gonna have some sick dreams tonight. :D :roll:

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Re: Network and MIDI ?

Post by smutek » Wed Apr 13, 2005 4:19 pm

AdamJay wrote:you guys see this? :
http://www.apple.com/macosx/features/coreaudio/

in other words, with Tiger, anyone using a 3rd party soundcard just got another set of outputs as they can now add their stock soundcards functionality.
8O Thats so slick. Really.

I thought tiger looked cool but I was going to skip it and just wait until I get a new machine later this year.

Ya, won't be waiting. Sold.

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Post by AdamJay » Wed Apr 13, 2005 6:35 pm

Paws, indeed.
the wierd thing is the channels have built in preset dynamics and fx you can't see/tweak. Thats why GarageBand rarely sounds like total poo, and why its a CPU hog.
But you cant ask for much control in an app that comes for free with your new Mac, and iLife.

And it works backwards too... the new synths in Logic 7.1 - are GarageBand instruments with new interfaces and much more tweakability.

if only we could use those instruments in Live!! some are actually not bad... i've dabbled the "Digital Basic" GB instrument in Logic Express 7. With some good filtering, it has that mildly digital yet still warm Clavia Nord Lead 1 sound. Instant Autechre.

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Post by FORMAT » Thu Apr 14, 2005 7:36 am

So what do you guys reckon, will the Tiger slow down an oldish machine like my 867 Mhz Powerbook?

Or is it a no-brainer for those in the know?

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Post by AdamJay » Thu Apr 14, 2005 7:50 am

format, these are xbench tests on machines with 10.3.8, and 10.4 (final gold master developer seed)

it looks like we'll be getting a boost rather than a slowdown. Aluminum powerbooks seem to get the biggest boost in cpu effeciency. and TiBooks come next...

these are all pretty early tests though, and just xbench, nothing realworld. but it is more encouraging than not.

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Post by FORMAT » Thu Apr 14, 2005 8:18 am

Adam,

that's encouraging indeed --- maybe I'll take this opportunity to do a complete re-install.

Plug-in compatibility will, hopefully, be not far behind - another concern. I'm not too worried about Logic, of course, and I'm sure Live will be fine....

Roland

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Post by AdamJay » Thu Apr 14, 2005 2:45 pm

Format,
as this is also been mentioned on the OSXAudio.com board
since you have mentioned plug-in compatibility, you should know that there are some issues with plugins that use PACE anti-piracy and Tiger. PACE is working it out and say they will have the issue fixed by April 29th, and that if worse comes to worse you'd have to download a new driver for them if any plugins aren't working correctly.

This concerns me with using Waves Platinum and Waves Transform. But time will tell.

But know that if you have any waves plugs or other plugins that use PACE, you may need a new PACE driver for Tiger.
check http://www.paceap.com/dldrvr.html on or after April 29th for new drivers.

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