Apple's iPad - Lemur killer?

[dum]

No dum dum. You're not getting why people are laughing at you. What people like you and daveperman are doing is making false statements with absolutely no basis, such as how iphone is not true multitouch and only dual touch at best and how the ipad will be just as limited, and how the ipad will not be suitable for live performance because it's not built durable enough. What those of us excited about the ipad are doing is making PREDICTIONS based on FACTS. Facts that you can look up online even. And I've seen the Lemur in action up close IN PERSON many times. But anyone can look up information about any of these devices to know actual facts based in real life, such as how the Lemur's screen resolution is only 800x600 while the iPad is 1024x768, for example.

I defy you to show me where I've made false statements like that of dave.

You're being a bit of a hypocrit here. I'm making my own predictions based on facts and experience, also illustrating clear & simple facts that the lemur is built specifically for musicians/performers - and that build quality is superb. and if your lemur is not up to performance standards, it will be repaired. The discussion seemed to be on justifying cost for two types of user, and that's all I've tried to comment on.

nothing more, nothing less.

btw delicioso - It's a little sad for you that from my comments in this thread alone, you've already resorted to slinging ad hominems my way and putting me in your signature. I mean, I'm flattered I can get under your skin so easily but maybe you're taking this discussion too seriously. Did a lemur kill your pet guinea pig or something ?

[delicioso]

I defy you to show me where I've made false statements like that of dave.

Sure.

no doubt the itouch and ultimately ipad are fun to use, but anyone who's actually used a lemur will tell you it's built like a tank with one purpose in mind - performance. for the hobbyist, sure, the ipad is much more attractive.

you can program epic music on a piece of shit computer and no one is arguing against that, but if you want to *perform* you're going to be more demanding with regards hardware spec and build quality of the tools you use.

Asinine analogy time: I don't go camping at festivals in a 4-season, high-end, professional mountaineering tent but if I was climbing a mountain I would, and knowing all I need out of a tent is a dry place at a mucky festival I don't go around the internet complaining about the price of pro gear made specifically for active mountaineers.

the iPad, like the bcr2000, will be up to certain performance tasks, like clip launching - no doubt about that. But it will be just as disposable and replaceable as the bcr2000. because you'd have to be living in fairyland to think a frequently gigging musician who uses a bcr2000 doesn't have to replace them from time to time.

You're being a bit of a hypocrit here. I'm making my own predictions based on facts and experience

Ok. So what are these facts and experiences that show that the iPad is not built durable enough to be suitable for performance and that it will be "just as disposable and replaceable as the bcr2000"?

[dum]

If I'm guilty of making 'false statements' by commenting on this discussion (considering the iPad isn't out yet) than so are you. The difference is I have vastly more experience with the lemur unit.

build quality: regarding the iPad I'm making educated guesses from my experience with the iTouch and comparing it with the build quality of the lemur. There's been no indication that the iPad is built of sturdier stuff, it's not beyond the realms of possibility though.
I also stated the fact that the lemur is built for one market - performers. The iPad isn't built specifically for performers, it's a multimedia device for running all sorts of applets. that my friend is an irrefutable fact.

as for my hobbyist remark. I'm guessing it's simply my use of the term 'hobbyist' which has upset you so. But again, my comment there is an irrefutable fact. Hobbyists will be more attracted to the iPad for price-point alone.

as for 'performability', the lemur is more responsive than the iTouch apps I've tried.


You can accuse me of conjecture at worst.

[LoopStationZebra]

b0unce, Christ I've missed you. Please tell me that you're here to stay this time. Seriously. wtf. It's never the same without you. I shall do my level best to continue stealing your best material and then make hamfisted attempts at regurgitating them to the forum population. Remember though: What may seem like thinly veiled attempts at riding your considerable coat tails is actually unadulterated admiration and flattery.

[8O]

build quality: regarding the iPad I'm making educated guesses from my experience with the iTouch and comparing it with the build quality of the lemur. There's been no indication that the iPad is built of sturdier stuff, it's not beyond the realms of possibility though.
I also stated the fact that the lemur is built for one market - performers. The iPad isn't built specifically for performers, it's a multimedia device for running all sorts of applets. that my friend is an irrefutable fact.

as for my hobbyist remark. I'm guessing it's simply my use of the term 'hobbyist' which has upset you so. But again, my comment there is an irrefutable fact. Hobbyists will be more attracted to the iPad for price-point alone.

The point you're missing is that it's not black and white, performer and hobbyist; it's a huge blur from bedroom-musicians through occasionally gigging performers through semi-pro musicians through to pro-musicians, all of which have different demands. And, with my (complete guess!) assumption that the iPad will be the same build quality as a macbook pro, a huge proportion of those different demands will be catered for by the iPad. More of this diverse group of performing musicians will ask themselves, do I really want to pay extra for sturdiness that I probably don't need?

Edit: dum = b0unce?

[AceLuby]

It's like apc vs launchpad or mac vs PC. Get whatever you want that works for you. For me, I would never buy a Lemur on price alone. It's just too expensive. However, an iPad is perfect for our band as a tool for the drummer to know where we are, what I'm doing, and also allow him some control of his own to record, launch clips, or effect stuff. We should be able to do that w/ the iPad at a fraction of the cost... really the same reason I chose PC over mac.

[sweetjesus]

Just bought a Lemur instead of going with an iPad (we had a long hard think about it too).

Stability, sturdy hardware and well thought out tools around the Lemur make it a no brainer for mission critical applications.

The scripting capabilities of Jazzeditor and now the MU tool alone are worth the admission price.

Lemur is a fucking rad device and it's tailored specifically for its functionality, and that's something you can't dismiss so easily.

The last thing that seals the deal is.. what if there's interference or a dropped wifi connection (pretty common with wireless devices). Do you really want to be diagnosing a network problem just before you start a gig?

[Hidden Driveways]

Just bought a Lemur instead of going with an iPad (we had a long hard think about it too).

Stability, sturdy hardware and well thought out tools around the Lemur make it a no brainer for mission critical applications.

The scripting capabilities of Jazzeditor and now the MU tool alone are worth the admission price.

Lemur is a fucking rad device and it's tailored specifically for its functionality, and that's something you can't dismiss so easily.

The last thing that seals the deal is.. what if there's interference or a dropped wifi connection (pretty common with wireless devices). Do you really want to be diagnosing a network problem just before you start a gig?

Sweej... good to hear from you on the forum again.

[sweetjesus]

Just bought a Lemur instead of going with an iPad (we had a long hard think about it too).

Stability, sturdy hardware and well thought out tools around the Lemur make it a no brainer for mission critical applications.

The scripting capabilities of Jazzeditor and now the MU tool alone are worth the admission price.

Lemur is a fucking rad device and it's tailored specifically for its functionality, and that's something you can't dismiss so easily.

The last thing that seals the deal is.. what if there's interference or a dropped wifi connection (pretty common with wireless devices). Do you really want to be diagnosing a network problem just before you start a gig?

Sweej... good to hear from you on the forum again.

Thanks mate!
Very happy to be having enough time to poke my head around in here. Did I miss much?

[Pasha]

Just bought a Lemur instead of going with an iPad (we had a long hard think about it too).

Stability, sturdy hardware and well thought out tools around the Lemur make it a no brainer for mission critical applications.

The scripting capabilities of Jazzeditor and now the MU tool alone are worth the admission price.

Lemur is a fucking rad device and it's tailored specifically for its functionality, and that's something you can't dismiss so easily.

The last thing that seals the deal is.. what if there's interference or a dropped wifi connection (pretty common with wireless devices). Do you really want to be diagnosing a network problem just before you start a gig?

Sweej... good to hear from you on the forum again.

Thanks mate!
Very happy to be having enough time to poke my head around in here. Did I miss much?

.. Lots of posts. Welcome back!

[chapelier fou]

Just bought a Lemur instead of going with an iPad (we had a long hard think about it too).

Stability, sturdy hardware and well thought out tools around the Lemur make it a no brainer for mission critical applications.

The scripting capabilities of Jazzeditor and now the MU tool alone are worth the admission price.

Lemur is a fucking rad device and it's tailored specifically for its functionality, and that's something you can't dismiss so easily.

The last thing that seals the deal is.. what if there's interference or a dropped wifi connection (pretty common with wireless devices). Do you really want to be diagnosing a network problem just before you start a gig?

Are we still unable to change the size of the rotary knobs ?

[Z3NO]

80
before I check your link, I'm gonna guess it's daft punk picture of their setup - right ?

And the award for "slick cheater of the year in the FAIL category" goes toooo...

Absolutely fabulous performance!

[dum]

well it's only fitting that you present me with the award, considering you're the proud owner of the lifetime achievement in that category.

For most people the build quality is going to be fine - it's gonna be better than a Behringer unit which some performers use on stage next to their Lemurs.

Know any other well known performers who use behringers and lemurs side by side ?



Didn't think so.



obvious picture was obvious.

[Z3NO]

Know any other well known performers who use behringers and lemurs side by side ?

No. And until you checked, neither did you.

[dum]

checked nothing,
that daft punk pic is very well known.

not to mention it was posted here before on more than one occasion.

but ya, I can see why a guy like you would think basic memory skills are a superhuman feat.