sound quality: live vs. logic

[3phase]

3phase... i think you need a refill...
your glass is constantly at least half-empty.

No.. i am a real optimistic guy...otherwise i couldnt stay a fulltime musican...
I just hate propaganda lies and fight against them...
Between the musicans i know the soundquality problem of Live is somehow common sense. When mister Henke himself states there is no problem its probably necessary to proove that there is one, to force future developments of the program in the wright direction.
I really would like to find a home sequencer wise...And Ableton was so close... But all this Live 4 mess is dont makes my Live easier..
I had to go back to Logic again...and i hate Logic workflow wise
I hope Live 5 is coming soon and will fix all the issues.. I dont like to feel ripped of the update money again. I just checked Acid Pro...but it lacks all the Live orientated features and cant competite with Live therefore.
But they show thats possible to have a good soundquality with Granular stretching... and they have latency compensation and dont even mention it...probably they think its not worth to mention that in the year 2005.. Cakewalk projekt 5 might be interesting..havent checked it yet..
Problem: all theese softwares only run under windows...maybe its time to change the platform?

[raapie]

okay. I did a phase chanceling test and that was just great. can't think of a better test. all studios do these kinds of tests all the time.

anyways: good luck designing!

this just shows accuracy within the program... it dont tells what happens between the program and the audio drivers. it also dont tells what happens with dynamical sources. It dont tells what happens when mixing multiple tracks. This kind of test also would work in a program that uses data reduction algorythms before the mixbus....you still would get your cancelation even when the source audio gets totally degenerated.. aslong the phase reversed source material gets exactly the same degeneration it gets cannceled...therefore your test shows only that there is no random degeneration between tracks.

yes, you're right. but if the audio is not processed or changed that would mean less CPU usage, so any manufacturer won't make that mistake I guess. it would be foolish to introduce extra overhead processing.

but yeah you're right. I am totally happy with the sound of Live. I have recorded many acoustic sources and it sounded great. but if you want to further test it, sure, do it!

[Lightbringerrr]

3phase... i think you need a refill...
your glass is constantly at least half-empty.

I had to go back to Logic again...and i hate Logic workflow wise

I can totally dig that. When I first decided to put a system together, I picked up an article from Keyboard Magazine( I think? )that had been made into a pamphlet. This article was a 'shootout' between Logic Platinum ver 4.whatever-before 5, Cakewalk Pro Audio 9, Digital Performer, Cubase, and something else which I can't remember.
Scorewise; Logic 'won' by a very narrow margin, so I decided to buy it and give it a go. Looking back, it was not a wise choice for a first-time user but I could probably get around it today. It seemed like it would be a real asset if you use a ton of midi though. Otherwise, it just didn't make sense( from an intuitive aspect )and seemed very esoteric in its operation.

I dont like to feel ripped of the update money again.

That's one of many reasons I use Cakewalk( Sonar 4 ). The Cakewalk upgrade/crossgrade program and prices are the best and totally fair. I just recently upgraded from Sonar XL ver 1.31( the last version for that program ) to Sonar 4 Studio Ed. for $99.00


Cakewalk projekt 5 might be interesting..havent checked it yet..
Problem: all theese softwares only run under windows...maybe its time to change the platform?

My new Sonar came with a trial version of Projekt 5. I need to buy a midi keyboard/controller to try it out though( I'm mainly a guitarist ). If it's cool, I'll post about it.
I would only change to Windows if you aren't happy with Logic, Cubase, Digital Performer or any of the other Mac-compatible software. Going to Windows might be quite a shock to you because everything on your Mac is engineered to work together in perfect tandem. With Windows; it's a crapshoot in that particular department.

[djadonis206]

Maybe Ableton will do what the Propellerheads did and release a mastering suite - I picked up Reason 3 for the fact and I must say - nice, very nice

It would be cool if DAW's gave you a built in mastering suite so you can get busy from begining to end - i like that about Reason

I love ableton but whether I / you / we care or not I don't like the end result output from my tracks or anyones elses I've heard

That Mastering suite makes a big difference in my opinion but whatever - it's not like this debate will bring the pope back to life or keep Timmy from getting an erection

[AdamJay]

Maybe Ableton will do what the Propellerheads did and release a mastering suite - I picked up Reason 3 for the fact and I must say - nice, very nice

It would be cool if DAW's gave you a built in mastering suite so you can get busy from begining to end - i like that about Reason

i wouldn't count on it. the mastering suite was Props answer to folks not being able to "plug in" mastering plugins.
in Live, you can buy a number of good mastering plugins from 3rd party vendors, plus there are some good free ones (like yohng's W1).

and the 3rd party plugs aren't expensive, iZotope, PSP, Sonalksis, etc. are all very reasonably priced.

i wouldn't count on this from Ableton.
plus, i'd rather Ableton focus on the area where its strengths are... improve the warping engine, reduce cpu usage, etc.
leave the plugins to the folks that make their living MAKING plugins.

[supster]

I love ableton but whether I / you / we care or not I don't like the end result output from my tracks or anyones elses I've heard

That Mastering suite makes a big difference in my opinion but whatever

the point is "is Live sound quality - on its own - different than Logics/cubase/sonar etc?" ...

the answer is basically ... no ... output tests have been done, people have listened to identically perpared files

no difference in dry output

the question "can i make it sound better with other stuff" is a totally seperate question and of course is yes

i dont think abelton should supply that because its way better as open and versitile as it is. plug in whatever you want to ...
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