Live 5

feeldamusic · Post by **feeldamusic** » Sat Apr 16, 2005 3:01 am

I agree that it somewhat copies Live and even reason's combinator but thats great, only showing they know what's good. Competition in the software world will not hurt us, trust me. It will only ensure better products and faster developement.

Overall, I think Project 5 v2 looks great, maybe the biggest updates in all DAWs ever. Well, Live 4 from Live 3 was also huge.

I can't wait to try P5v2 demo.

starving student · Post by **starving student** » Sat Apr 16, 2005 3:04 am

I think its great what cakewalk did. they showed us that we can get all of those extremely useful tools without the cpu over head, without losing the workflow, and on top of that with alot of great enhancements. all ableton has to do is remember what they themselves did to Acid back in the day and not let that happen to them. cakewalk has no ego, they just give the people what they want and on top of that they do it with high quality, it's been the common thread through all of their products and thats why they've survived all this time against the other big apps. Ableton should give us the folder tracks the freeze, the arps and everything else, why hold back, cake walk has already proven that it can all be done and we won't lose lives look, personality, or gapless engine. shit, thats exactly what they did with P5

DJALEX · Post by **DJALEX** » Sat Apr 16, 2005 3:48 am

I cant wait for my tax return

my next project is!! ................. PROJECT 5!!!!

MrYellow · Post by **MrYellow** » Sat Apr 16, 2005 4:09 am

I guess I can always rewire, but then u get the "midi device in use" crap.

MIDIOX + Yokes

-Ben

kobal · Post by **kobal** » Sat Apr 16, 2005 8:23 am

AdamJay wrote:i dont think Live should look at cakewalk and try to top them (like cakewalk did Live),
just stick with the game-plan Abes. Keep the realtime functionality, flexibility, the beautiful user interface, and the intuitive clip envelope editing. These are the staples of Ableton Live.
Take that and build on it....

freeze,
more UI flexibility,
PDC,
ability to save multiple clips for one audio file,
advanced midi editing,
clone the volume sliders into Arranger,
allow us to save 'patches' of multiple fx configurations,
list Pan and Volume values in the Track Strip.

sounds worthy of $129 to me...
and i know its worthy of $129 to quite a few Logic/Live/Rewire users as well.

well said. And I agree.

though one feature that would be very useful.

Group Folders.

Grouping all the midi tracks (since 99.9% of my elements are from midi) or audio tracks or (insert here) can be a great ally. Saves time from endless scrolling up and down the arrangement/ session view.

LOFA · Post by **LOFA** » Sat Apr 16, 2005 8:44 am

Call it organizational skills (sometimes it's true)
But I too find myself scrolling endlessly.
If there is at least a suggestion I would be interested!
Man, I have like 200 gigs of Sifl and Olly and it's hard man,
it's really hard to find my music sometimes

hambone1 · Post by **hambone1** » Sat Apr 16, 2005 9:02 am

Wow...

Now I know what Live should be.

I think I've seen the future...

louZ · Post by **louZ** » Sat Apr 16, 2005 11:19 am

yep, this is a typical case of "the disadvantage of having the advantage" (remmende voorsprong in Dutch). it's like when England was the first country to have an industrial revolution. it made them the leading economic power for a while, but then other countries learned from England's accomplishments and mistakes, and enhanced the technologies. England and its aged infrastructure were surpassed by other countries.

i hope this is not the case with Live, cause they deserve better after revolutionizing the sequencer, but i'm afraid something similar could happen. luckily for them, this is the digital realm, so it won't take as long to catch up with the competition as in the old days.

hambone1 · Post by **hambone1** » Sat Apr 16, 2005 5:03 pm

For Sale: One copy of the revolutionary software known as Ableton Live, now surpassed by something far, far better.

Sad to see, but Cakewalk, with their resources, have leapfrogged past Ableton in one fell swoop.

They'll have a hard time catching up.

MrYellow · Post by **MrYellow** » Sat Apr 16, 2005 5:51 pm

But I too find myself scrolling endlessly.

Good point.... Along with MIDI groups "Col groups" maybe "Row Groups"

Where a whole bunch of scenes can be "minimised".... As you would in
the GridEX grid controls for windows (which Outlook uses).

-Ben

MrYellow · Post by **MrYellow** » Sat Apr 16, 2005 6:02 pm

I wonder if project5 forgot to include one of the most important features.... Legato.

edit: like the "macro" thing..... where I could load up VSTi's in
combination with each other, effects etc. Exactly what I've really been
having headaches with recently..... Trying to do it in Bidule....

-Ben

hambone1 · Post by **hambone1** » Sat Apr 16, 2005 6:05 pm

Also wonder if it does the equivalent of warp-markering entire tracks...

sweetjesus · Post by **sweetjesus** » Sat Apr 16, 2005 6:08 pm

I really do get the feeling I'm being watched.
Cakewalk is most definately watching these forums, especially the wishlist...

I suggested in the wishlist to be able to save a whole chain of synths + fx at once and call it a "device chain" ... Cakewalk did this and funnily enough P5 does that and they call it "the device chain"...

If Project5 lets me move the loop start/end markers on the fly with midi controls all I can say is I hope they offer a crossgrade.

MrYellow · Post by **MrYellow** » Sat Apr 16, 2005 6:24 pm

I'm not sure I can see any "tracks" as such...... Does this mean they've
made it so that effects are linked to a clip rather than a track.... If so that
kinda unties you from tracks, where you have to limit yourself by saying:

"ok these are the 10 tracks my CPU can afford, and the 10-20 effects I
can afford without having to drag stuff around between tunes"

If there are no tracks, and effects are dropped into clips along with the
midi, instruments or whatever.... that is something kinda cool and new...

However..... I'm sure most of us would still want a track so we can put
EQ3's on it and stuff that is used quite often, or assigned to a MIDI
controller/mixer. i.e. If I had EQ knobs on a controller, I'd want that EQ
effect to remain the same regardless of the clips being played....

-Ben

MrYellow · Post by **MrYellow** » Sat Apr 16, 2005 6:36 pm

Actually... starting to get it....

Tracks are horizontal, when you load a "device chain" that covers that
new track...... Which is nice.... but.... I'm not sure if then later changing
that device chain would change earlier stuff.... I guess you can record
audio rather than MIDI then change the device chain..... bah it's late

What I need to do is load up a "device chain".... record some stuff....
have effects on that don't change regardless of the the chain selected....
and do it all on an existing track without adding more clutter.

Example... I have a bass track.... Load up 3 VSTi's.... record... switch to
different VSTi's record.... repeat.... 1 bass track, loading different
instruments as I hear them being needed.... without added BS.

-Ben