Anyone is willing to master my track for free PLEASE ?

[djarsalan2006]

While I agree with leeds there is also another side here.. I can imagine someone who is just starting out with mastering material to be willing to help out. Both to get his work checked out by someone outside is normal environment as well as (assuming he does a good job) getting his skills to become better known.

And since we're all here with professionals and amateurs alike I think the request isn't that much over the top.

thank you, well idk why, but lately, when you post here, you have got to expect people attacking you ..
lets put it this way, if you dont want to do it, dont post ..

[dum]

No disrespect, but if your toilet busts and is spewing poo everywhere, do you call all the plumbers in the yellow pages and ask them if they'll do it for free ? Because you already know what the answer will be to that one ...

No-one with proper mastering skills and a proper mastering environment is going to offer their expertise for free, like the plumber, they are skilled people who deserve to be paid. If you are serious about your work, you should expect to have to pay for mastering, or learn how to do it for yourself.

No disrespect, anyone can throw Ozone or T-racks or a Waves L2 etc at something, it can make your mix louder but it's not proper mastering.

Kudos to Cacti for wanting to help with Ozone, that was a genuine offer and charitable. I just think it's a bit of a cheeky request from the OP (hey, but if you don't ask you don't get though, right ). I've done mastering for mates for free, and for some others for really low pricing if I liked the music a lot, but there are some good value, high quality options available which don't break the bank, as in Tarekith or Neb, etc. If you're serious about your music and don't have the mastering skills, they can do a lot for great value.

Eventually, if you have a reasonable monitoring environment, you should learn these skills for yourself.

what a load of shit.
the guy is simply asking for some help with his track.
I guess you're not interested in Ableton's ''SHARE'' idea ? Or maybe you'd prefer ''SHILL''



Seriously though, the best part of that turd you just dropped is you recommending your buddy's ''low cost'' mastering services.

[SubFunk]

While I agree with leeds there is also another side here.. I can imagine someone who is just starting out with mastering material to be willing to help out. Both to get his work checked out by someone outside is normal environment as well as (assuming he does a good job) getting his skills to become better known.

And since we're all here with professionals and amateurs alike I think the request isn't that much over the top.

well, yes and no, if you don't want to be that kind of asshole, fucking up prices and markets for people trying to make a living...

and it is valid to get paid money for any kind of decent audio work / service, just like in any other job.

then you keep real tight locked to close friends, or you do it like tarekith and you charge at least a "test amount" nothing wrong with educating people that time and knowledge, work... costs money!!!

and still both win, but it's healthier that way in the long run... or when do you think one should start to know or develop his value?

[d-track]

my charges based on the mastering effects you choose to be on the track
the benefit of this pricing is that you wont pay the ones you dont need!

1. mute (to achieve the cleanest, noise-free sound based on a new sound engine i built with max for live) = 30 eur
2. nothing (to avoid all artifacts) = 35 eur
3. fade out after 3.5 mins (your track will be fully compatible with commercial radios etc) =25 eur
4. all above (this is almost everyones favorite who can afford and its highly recommended) = 100 eur

i still have some free dates this year but hurry up!

[anybody human]

+1 to Leeds. Guys who specialize in mastering are worth it. There's no substitute for experience. They all have different styles so it's good to find one who fits well with your music and develope a relationship where they get to know how you track and mix.

If it's not for a release you might want to learn to do it yourself though. Ask someone at a local community college or a local studio or read up on it. Tone Deft has posted some really good books about this stuff.

Basically I use 2 compressors, an eq, and a limiter. 1 compressor is catching a lot at a very low ratio, one is taming the frequent peaks at a higher ratio, then overall eq. That way when it gets to the limiter, the limiter isn't really doing anything- it's just catching the occasional peaks but it's not really compressing. It's just there for loudness and presence. Let the compressor (s) do the work. If u just slam a limiter on the end and expect it to do all the work you'll probably end up smashing your mix dynamics and getting weird harmonics. It's all about how they work together. Takes some practice but it's quite rewarding.

Edit: I just do this for my own stuff, if it's a proper release then it's good to have a professional do it since they have experience balancing different tracks into a whole album. For instance one song might be a bit bassier than another or sound different in the mid range. I don't have the ears, experience or attention span for that kind of heavy lifting. Still, it's good to learn how to do a bit of this stuff for everday projects.

[Rave]

No disrespect, but if your toilet busts and is spewing poo everywhere, do you call all the plumbers in the yellow pages and ask them if they'll do it for free ? Because you already know what the answer will be to that one ...

No-one with proper mastering skills and a proper mastering environment is going to offer their expertise for free, like the plumber, they are skilled people who deserve to be paid. If you are serious about your work, you should expect to have to pay for mastering, or learn how to do it for yourself.

No disrespect, anyone can throw Ozone or T-racks or a Waves L2 etc at something, it can make your mix louder but it's not proper mastering.

Kudos to Cacti for wanting to help with Ozone, that was a genuine offer and charitable. I just think it's a bit of a cheeky request from the OP (hey, but if you don't ask you don't get though, right ). I've done mastering for mates for free, and for some others for really low pricing if I liked the music a lot, but there are some good value, high quality options available which don't break the bank, as in Tarekith or Neb, etc. If you're serious about your music and don't have the mastering skills, they can do a lot for great value.

Eventually, if you have a reasonable monitoring environment, you should learn these skills for yourself.

what a load of shit.
the guy is simply asking for some help with his track.
I guess you're not interested in Ableton's ''SHARE'' idea ? Or maybe you'd prefer ''SHILL''



Seriously though, the best part of that turd you just dropped is you recommending your buddy's ''low cost'' mastering services.

hi,

This is not the first time he has asked. Tone and I helped him last time.

Cheers

[dum]

oh, so he's a bum ?

OK I get it now.

[buzby]

try this as starting point for learning to master yourself

http://audio.tutsplus.com/tutorials/mix ... s-or-less/

[leedsquietman]

dum, if you want to help the guy maybe YOU can give your time for free and do it for him.

I'm glad you brought the work shill back though, a very cool word which I was starting to miss in your bi-polar random attacks.

Would you expect a plumber to clean your sh*t up for free ?? Or en electrician to fix your dodgy wiring for free ?

Sheluser makes a good point that maybe someone doing an apprenticeship (these things barely exist these days), or wants to do it to gain some extra experience might want to help for free - maybe.

There comes a point where you can't keep asking for free expertise, that you have to gain the knowledge for yourself. If this prompts the OP to seek out knowledge and start practising for himself then all the better for him, he'll thank us later.

People didn't go through years at Uni/College paying thousands of bucks to get minimum wage working mostly as a teaboy and sandwich runner for 2 years in their job as an apprentice studio engineer, to give their skills away to random chancers for free... This is one reason why many studios are closing down. The proliferation of free music and dodgy preset software mastering...forcing people with real engineering skills out of work or to another career with music a side interest.

[funky shit]

its sunday and im in "tl;dr" mode. but the following quote is 100% correct.

No disrespect, anyone can throw Ozone or T-racks or a Waves L2 etc at something, it can make your mix louder but it's not proper mastering.

but if you want ill do some mastering. i dont have any outboard mastering gear, all plugins, but i can get a alright sound in this room.. which seems to work well in other systems

[SubFunk]

People didn't go through years at Uni/College paying thousands of bucks to get minimum wage working mostly as a teaboy and sandwich runner for 2 years in their job as an apprentice studio engineer, to give their skills away to random chancers for free... This is one reason why many studios are closing down. The proliferation of free music and dodgy preset software mastering...forcing people with real engineering skills out of work or to another career with music a side interest.

[funky shit]

fuck it ill say it.
vst's are going to be the end of it all.

[SubFunk]

fuck it ill say it.
vst's are going to be the end of it all.

i don't think it's about VSTs vs Boxes... it's about good skills and experience, vs presets and try and error.

and if you are in a league to work efficiently / quick and in a way to achieve right away the desired result, respectively are able to translate at any given time with pretty much any gear the wishes / ideas of the client, then you are professional and well worth to be paid.

at least that is how i see it.

p.s. i still see a rather big difference when it comes to mastering between VSTs and 'Boxes' myself... but i agree with you that it matters less and less...

people do not appreciate quality anymore... just look at the way we listen to music our days... that says it all...

[funky shit]

fuck it ill say it.
vst's are going to be the end of it all.

i don't think it's about VSTs vs Boxes... it's about good skills and experience, vs presets and try and error.

and if you are in a league to work efficiently / quick and in a way to achieve right away the desired result, respectively are able to translate at any given time with pretty much any gear the wishes / ideas of the client, then you are professional and well worth to be paid.

at least that is how i see it.

p.s. i still see a rather big difference when it comes to mastering between VSTs and 'Boxes' myself... but i agree with you that it matters less and less...

people do not appreciate quality anymore... just look at the way we listen to music our days... that says it all...

yeah what i meant was because of the availability and easiness (presets etc) of vsts is a big part of the problem.

example: lecturer at my college "yeah basically you should just use a preset. i dont know about yourselves but im not going to sit down and learn all of the functions of this device so usually there is a preset which does the job."

[SubFunk]

example: lecturer at my college "yeah basically you should just use a preset. i dont know about yourselves but im not going to sit down and learn all of the functions of this device so usually there is a preset which does the job."

i believe it's true, and sad...

real world story (sorry it drifts a bit off, but is somehow totally related) that just happened last week, did sound for a documentary movie, i could not work on friday... director got someone else in fresh from SAE, berlin... the damn guy could not even deal with a simple on loaction mixer / recording scenario, sending a line level wireless to the camera, and using one boom mic (he did not even knew the standard shotgun mic types, like a 416, etc... ) and one lavalliere mic (my spelling?, i think it is written lavalliere... though...), the camera man, a very experienced guy needed to help him... what the fuck are they doing our days in those schools???

the director was so pissed off (told me it happened lately more often with SAE guys) that she ordered here producer to not ever book a person that left freshly from SAE again, without having some real world experience...



that 'task' he had to do is bottom line most primitive easy shit. nothing advanced whatsoever.

oh my oh my oh my.