Anyone is willing to master my track for free PLEASE ?

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Re: Anyone is willing to master my track for free PLEASE ?

Post by Z3NO » Sun May 16, 2010 11:36 pm

ShelLuser wrote:While I agree with leeds there is also another side here.. I can imagine someone who is just starting out with mastering material to be willing to help out. Both to get his work checked out by someone outside is normal environment as well as (assuming he does a good job) getting his skills to become better known.

And since we're all here with professionals and amateurs alike I think the request isn't that much over the top.
There are even more sides to this argument and favours can come from many angles:
1. A REAL professional who is successful in his/her business, has a couple of hours to spare and doesn't need to rely on the petty cash from emerging producers.
2. Someone who is motivated by creativity rather than money. (Nobody has even asked the OP to have a listen to his track!)
3. Someone who might be interested in a future collaboration.
4. A simple act of disinterested good will...
The list goes on.

Is the concept of doing anything for free really so much out of this world, or are we simply so inundated with small-time, greedy bedroom 'professionals' scraping by for every penny they can get in the vain hope that they will be compensated for the hours lost trawling internet forums and watching online tutorials in the name of Professional Formation?

Seriously folks. If you need this fella's $20 or £50 to stay afloat, you must be doing something wrong. And you should be taking a look at your own life, before slamming someone for just asking for a favour.

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Re: Anyone is willing to master my track for free PLEASE ?

Post by leedsquietman » Sun May 16, 2010 11:52 pm

So you're helping him out then, it's settled.

If everyone took the attitude of 'it's only one person's money so let it slide' then the world as you know it would be f***ed. We don't live on a kibbutz (or at least, most of us don't). You ask Bob Katz, Bob Ludwig, Doug Sax or Roger Nichols etc how many tracks they mastered for free last year ...

When I go to the store (and believe me I am broke ass after months of unemployment here), the store owners don't take pity on me and let me have the odd shopping cart load of groceries free. The car mechanics who my last car broke down several times, costing me thousands didn't take pity on me and fix my rack and pinion steering or suspension for free. They are professionals and they have to make a living - except musicians, engineers, producers etc. obviously don't have a right to make a living, they are mandated to give it up for free :roll:

We don't live in a hippy world where people do favours for Karma. Believe me, I've done lots of favours to people on this board or elsewhere, done lots of things 'just to be nice', I donated a track to a Haiti charity album and gave money myself, even though I barely have any food to eat for my family, but you reach your limit when some freeloader repeatedly feels entitled to help for free and then someone else defends it. Between you and dum, who obviously are fine with people freeloading, his track should be sorted, right ?
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Re: Anyone is willing to master my track for free PLEASE ?

Post by djarsalan2006 » Mon May 17, 2010 12:15 am

thanks to those who help, one more time, if you can help, great thanks, if not ZIP IT ..

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Re: Anyone is willing to master my track for free PLEASE ?

Post by funky shit » Mon May 17, 2010 12:18 am

djarsalan2006 wrote:thanks to those who help, one more time, if you can help, great thanks, if not ZIP IT ..
link? :lol:
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Re: Anyone is willing to master my track for free PLEASE ?

Post by djarsalan2006 » Mon May 17, 2010 12:24 am

funky shit wrote:
djarsalan2006 wrote:thanks to those who help, one more time, if you can help, great thanks, if not ZIP IT ..
link? :lol:
link to what sir ?

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Re: Anyone is willing to master my track for free PLEASE ?

Post by funky shit » Mon May 17, 2010 12:26 am

the track
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Re: Anyone is willing to master my track for free PLEASE ?

Post by leedsquietman » Mon May 17, 2010 1:42 am

links to my size 14 (wide) boots up someone's jacksie .... :lol:

whatever - you got a lot of nerve, but if someone's gonna give you some charity, I hope you remember that well ... and pay it forward.
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Re: Anyone is willing to master my track for free PLEASE ?

Post by leedsquietman » Mon May 17, 2010 2:08 am

OK. We have called a truce.

Maybe I went a bit over the edge here, so apologies for any offence caused, although I stand by my points here, I didn't have to be quite so rude.

It's not the fault of the OP that music is in the state it is and that it's getting almost impossible to make a living from it, and everyone has to start somewhere...
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Re: Anyone is willing to master my track for free PLEASE ?

Post by Z3NO » Mon May 17, 2010 2:18 am

leedsquietman wrote:So you're helping him out then, it's settled.

If everyone took the attitude of 'it's only one person's money so let it slide' then the world as you know it would be f***ed. We don't live on a kibbutz (or at least, most of us don't). You ask Bob Katz, Bob Ludwig, Doug Sax or Roger Nichols etc how many tracks they mastered for free last year ...

When I go to the store (and believe me I am broke ass after months of unemployment here), the store owners don't take pity on me and let me have the odd shopping cart load of groceries free. The car mechanics who my last car broke down several times, costing me thousands didn't take pity on me and fix my rack and pinion steering or suspension for free. They are professionals and they have to make a living - except musicians, engineers, producers etc. obviously don't have a right to make a living, they are mandated to give it up for free :roll:

We don't live in a hippy world where people do favours for Karma. Believe me, I've done lots of favours to people on this board or elsewhere, done lots of things 'just to be nice', I donated a track to a Haiti charity album and gave money myself, even though I barely have any food to eat for my family, but you reach your limit when some freeloader repeatedly feels entitled to help for free and then someone else defends it. Between you and dum, who obviously are fine with people freeloading, his track should be sorted, right ?
Ok, you've made it clear. You're not doing very well with your business and need all the help you can get.
Some of us, on the other hand, are doing ok, and even without comparing ourselves to Bob Katz, manage to put food on the table and even indulge in the odd luxuries every now and then... and yet, still find the time to do plenty other things which are not financially beneficial. Live a social life, watch TV or browse around the Ableton Forums and why not, even offer our professional services for free. And contrary to what you think, there are COUNTLESS successful (and famous) people who offer their help and expertise for free as they, more than anybody else, can do so... I'm not sure about the people you mention, but in the past I've worked on projects for under 25's with Nick Mason, Ewan McGregor and Terry Gilliam to name but a few... and guess how much they got paid for their time.

All creative industries are vocational. We do it because we love it and not just to make money. Because of this the market is over-saturated with people wanting to make a living as artists (or creative professionals) and unfortunately not all are lucky (and by lucky I mean good) enough to make a living out of it. Trust than when the Plumb Factor will hit the airwaves and millions of teenagers will aspire to appear as "TV's Best Toilet Unblocker"... there will be plumbers a-plenty offering their services for free!
By the way, the idiotic comparison between plumbers and musicians is on a par with blaming immigration for unemployment rates. It's not the musicians that do the work for free that are responsible for your loss, it's the ones that DO make a living that cut your luck short, cos they get the work, and you don't.

Unfortunately I am not a mastering engineer by trade, so on this occasion my services are not required, but I am a live engineer and if djarsalan, you need my help with that, any day...just ask!

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Re: Anyone is willing to master my track for free PLEASE ?

Post by tadpole fingers » Mon May 17, 2010 2:30 am

^^^smell a few heart attacks around the corner

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Re: Anyone is willing to master my track for free PLEASE ?

Post by funky shit » Mon May 17, 2010 2:35 am

listening to AONO right now.
awesome
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Re: Anyone is willing to master my track for free PLEASE ?

Post by cacti » Mon May 17, 2010 2:49 am

COMPASSION vs. GREED

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Re: Anyone is willing to master my track for free PLEASE ?

Post by Z3NO » Mon May 17, 2010 2:52 am

Amend that...
cacti wrote:PASSION vs. GREED
peace

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Re: Anyone is willing to master my track for free PLEASE ?

Post by funky shit » Mon May 17, 2010 4:17 am

:lol:
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Re: Anyone is willing to master my track for free PLEASE ?

Post by distaudio » Mon May 17, 2010 6:47 am

funky shit wrote:the track
Pfffft. He's not going to be giving out the track for free.

It will be up on iTunes for $2 a download with no credit to the one doing the mastering.

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