You Do Realize that 8.1.3 still crashes ALL THE TIME???!!?!?

[Sarrova-Q]

Totally agree. For me a stable version is a version that works with all sorts of configurations/devices without crashing.
My current setup works perfect with other DAW's (I did do some extensive testing) and I expect no less from a professional DAW.
Other company's are able to bring a much more stable program so Live should work as good as those other DAW's.

It just frustrating that every time you post about the crashing problem, a few minutes later there are x posts from users who say "Mine works perfect" wich is not really helpful.

in short, no you don't do anything wrong. still, something's wrong in your configuration that is not in others. lets hope they find all live-based faults and fix them (as well as all other parts that are involved do their part to fix it)

If they would sort all of live-based faults I would be a very happy user.
I don't think I'm asking too much am I? I paid for a DAW which should be as stable as other DAW's and don't crashes every x minutes.
I understand some bugs in the first months, but .... yeah you know.

- complaining mode off -

[dum]

No issues here,
7.0.18

dum: this is about 8.1.3 as you can read in the title of this thread ...

1 + 1 = 2

[Angstrom]

when I see these threads I feel so damn lucky.
I can only assume that my setup is very similar to that of most of the Ableton team.
(XP and a fireface)

commiserations to those feeling crashy pain, for whatever reason.

[LiquidSoul]

8.0.9 works fine for me. Don't remember since which version, but no crashes since last autemn.

[davepermen]

Totally agree. For me a stable version is a version that works with all sorts of configurations/devices without crashing.
My current setup works perfect with other DAW's (I did do some extensive testing) and I expect no less from a professional DAW.
Other company's are able to bring a much more stable program so Live should work as good as those other DAW's.

still, sometimes it's not the daws fault, but a plugins fault, that only gets triggered on a certain daw (but yes, an it works everywhere solution would be awesome, and is what is expected).

It just frustrating that every time you post about the crashing problem, a few minutes later there are x posts from users who say "Mine works perfect" wich is not really helpful.

oh it is. there where times where the only one not having problems posting in here was me, so it shows there is progress, and we should not lose hope. and it shows that there's something specific, that, if found, could fix a users problems without having to wait for an update of live to still get it working perfectly.

If they would sort all of live-based faults I would be a very happy user.
I don't think I'm asking too much am I? I paid for a DAW which should be as stable as other DAW's and don't crashes every x minutes.
I understand some bugs in the first months, but .... yeah you know.

- complaining mode off -

bugs happen everywhere. and nothing in your computer is steady and fixed and one-size only. your os gets updates, your hardwares get updates, your softwares get updates. and every combination of all that can be one that works well, or that doesn't. you can expect something to work that you payed for. then again, everyone on a mac "knows better" (and i'm a windows user, having 0 problems, and still know it's completely setup-dependent to have problems or not).

[WaveRider]

and still know it's completely setup-dependent to have problems or not).

this is the thing I don't buy, my computer is allright, how come I can run all those other apps with minimal crashes????? ...and it's the very same setup I was using with V6 witch was pretty solid..

The program is buggy, it just depends on what is your workflow, what vst you are using, witch sections of live you are working in... If I start a new set and only use live suite apps it will crash a lot less... but maintaining a repertoire (with some older tracks), or some work for hire on a schedule or just the way I use it anyway, well I see lots of little things that go wrong.... and lots of crashes... now I bet that people with few or no problems would feel the same on my computer... they simply do the same things again and again and do not hit trouble spots...

Proteus VX crsahes live a lot when loading the next set... fine with V6... so it's the program!!!

there is a bug when saving live device presets witch has been there since v7...

I think the abes should PAY for bugs, cause then I would make a fortune debugging them
..they do not have the resources for debugging their own app, and I won't work for free, f**k them I already paid a fortune since live4

I pretty much finished with ableton, my only hope is that they provide a stable v8, then I won't follow their money grabbing buggy updates anymore

[Hermanus]

Yesterday I had several annoying crashes with 7.0.18... 3 reboots because live was always stucked in the task manager
no problems so far with 8.1.3

oh 8.1.4 beta is out, stop ranting, try it and help solving problems

best

[davepermen]

this is the thing I don't buy, my computer is allright, how come I can run all those other apps with minimal crashes????? ...and it's the very same setup I was using with V6 witch was pretty solid..

The program is buggy, it just depends on what is your workflow, what vst you are using, witch sections of live you are working in... If I start a new set and only use live suite apps it will crash a lot less... but maintaining a repertoire (with some older tracks), or some work for hire on a schedule or just the way I use it anyway, well I see lots of little things that go wrong.... and lots of crashes... now I bet that people with few or no problems would feel the same on my computer... they simply do the same things again and again and do not hit trouble spots...

Proteus VX crsahes live a lot when loading the next set... fine with V6... so it's the program!!!

there is a bug when saving live device presets witch has been there since v7...

I think the abes should PAY for bugs, cause then I would make a fortune debugging them
..they do not have the resources for debugging their own app, and I won't work for free, f**k them I already paid a fortune since live4

I pretty much finished with ableton, my only hope is that they provide a stable v8, then I won't follow their money grabbing buggy updates anymore

it's fun how you say you don't buy it, and then show exactly how you have completely setup dependent bugs. that does not mean they are NOT the fault of live. it's the reason why some have 0 problems. some have nearly 0 problems. some have an amazing lot of problems.

those that have a big amount of problems have a different setup (that includes what vsts or aus you use, etc.. if you have only one instance or more than one, etc) than those that don't.

having an old file that got upconverted to the newest version several time is a different setup, too, than starting with something fresh.

and all those details help ableton to find which part of the app is the problem. and that helps them to fix it.

i hope auto-bugreporting will soon be available. they're so in need for it to make it more simple.

oh, and, with every bigger update lately from apple, the thread schedulers changed. this can lead to great instability in high performance apps that rely on thread scheduling. that's the main reason why i list "os version" as a possible cause of problems. still live has to fix it. but if it fixes for you, right now, your problem, why should you wait for live to fix it?

i would not be on win7 by now if it would not work well.

[jlgrimes]

hate to say it, but +2

on a side note, from 8.0.3 to 8.1.1 didn't crash that much to me.
It can crash for many reasons though. Most of the times its my own mistakes. like pushing the cpu, or ram, or overheating, etc. But the last 5 crashes tonight with 8.1.3, I swear its not my mistake! It happens just when moving clips around, or simple things like zooming.

Its not the VSTs. I use very few, and they are all tested, researched and true crash safe.
there's lots of tracks with audio files in this project, so I guess it crashes from ram or cpu spikes. About 30 audio tracks and 20 midi tracks. 4 cores with 40% cpu usage, 1.8gb ram use, 4gb available. XP

I'll bet the problem is your high audio track count. From my experience, Live doesn't seem to perform well at high track counts (24 tracks or higher), especially when each track is continuous audio not segmented copied and pasted clips where on that hand Live might perform better.

A symptom of this though is seeing your disk usage light turn red and hearing dropouts.


At 4 gigs of Ram though, you should try clicking the ram button on like half of your tracks.


I am at 2 gigs though so I can't enable many RAM tracks. Also you are at XP, you might not have full access to your 4 gigs of Ram because your video card will also reserve some of that space for the RAM as well as your O.S. and background apps.

Might be a good reason to go 64 bit Windows 7, (and a good reason for Live to create a true 64 bit app. I think Live needs this functionality more than about any DAW because of the demands of Live performance).

[dude rancher]

so many crashes with 8.1.3 and always a reboot. because of this i have developed a new reflex. ctrl+s as often as possible. after every thing i do.

[HeadrickProductions]

I had alot of problems with 8.1.1. To be honest if any of you guys are using knotakt 4 it has caused me huge problems but they are coming up with an update soon. As well many folks have complained about battery 3 and they are also coming out with an update. 8.1.3 is working pretty well for me as long as I don't try tweak to many things in komplete 6.

I understand cause I was pissed off for a long time. I promise that as a result of this other companies will attempt to fill the void and even though some of us have sunk money there will be other opportunities for performance based software.

Side note: Even though I am doing 8.1.4b most of you guys have to understand that it a lot to ask for people who have not had good results with a company to then give more of their time (which for many people = money) to help fix the product that should already function correctly. I am doing it only cause I have way to much free time on my hands, but don't expect everyone to be happy to help when they've been given something that does not work for their personal setup.


If you want live to get better faster, please download the beta and give a helping hand....but I understand if you don't want to cause it took a while for me to come around to helping out ableton.

you know you'd want help if you were in their boat....

[H20nly]

+ 4, 5 whateva...

I finally installed 8.1.3 on my desktop this weekend... First time launching it... hung app.
unplug axiom 25 & external hard drive.

Reboot, relaunch. Yay! it works. Playing back a track (all audio) 15 seconds in... Rice Krispies commercial Snap, Krackle, Pop.

Close Program... NO! says Live, hung app.

Reboot, relaunch. Hung app.

Relaunch... nope. lost the motivation. Fired up Cuabase and started messing with old shit... got bored and (just) drank beer instead.

Fuck a bug report. Nothing has changed from the bug reports I sent in months ago except the version number of Live. Still no plugs. Still still T.C. Electronics Konnekt 6, MPD 24 and Remote Zero SL.

Migrated to X-box.





(sorry Tod)

[ze2be]

hate to say it, but +2

on a side note, from 8.0.3 to 8.1.1 didn't crash that much to me.
It can crash for many reasons though. Most of the times its my own mistakes. like pushing the cpu, or ram, or overheating, etc. But the last 5 crashes tonight with 8.1.3, I swear its not my mistake! It happens just when moving clips around, or simple things like zooming.

Its not the VSTs. I use very few, and they are all tested, researched and true crash safe.
there's lots of tracks with audio files in this project, so I guess it crashes from ram or cpu spikes. About 30 audio tracks and 20 midi tracks. 4 cores with 40% cpu usage, 1.8gb ram use, 4gb available. XP

I'll bet the problem is your high audio track count. From my experience, Live doesn't seem to perform well at high track counts (24 tracks or higher), especially when each track is continuous audio not segmented copied and pasted clips where on that hand Live might perform better.

A symptom of this though is seeing your disk usage light turn red and hearing dropouts.


At 4 gigs of Ram though, you should try clicking the ram button on like half of your tracks.


I am at 2 gigs though so I can't enable many RAM tracks. Also you are at XP, you might not have full access to your 4 gigs of Ram because your video card will also reserve some of that space for the RAM as well as your O.S. and background apps.

Might be a good reason to go 64 bit Windows 7, (and a good reason for Live to create a true 64 bit app. I think Live needs this functionality more than about any DAW because of the demands of Live performance).

3gigs of ram, sorry... I recently had to upgrade from 2gb, as I reached the limit.
The 8.1.4 beta looks to be ok. Betas from this point are not slower then release versions anymore!


But its frustrating.. Theres so much that can go wrong really, that im getting a headache thinking about what the Ableton bug team have to go through..I mean, they need to keep up with every single commercial hardware and software products evolution. And its increasing in work load every year!

Actually I think we should rather motivate them to work, then to complain. Maybe we can create a community gift for them. live content perhaps, like presets and racks.

[iloyd2]

Same here...

Experiencing random crashes all the time... Sometimes simply while browsing audio files on an empty project... Sometimes while working on a big project with lots of Live and NI instruments...

And you can't always send bug reports along with project files while you're working on confidential projects.

Stock early 2010 MBP 2.8 here...

[patekswiss]

Using anything 3rd party?
List um if you got um.[/quote]


Hi.

Well of course I am. Who isn't? But the point is -- nothing new. These are not recent additions. These are all plugs I've used many times before 8.x without major issues.

Yesterday, I had 2 plugs in -- and that was it for the whole Live session. NI Massive and Spectrasonics Stylus RMX. Stylus was fully up-to-date and NI Massive was missing only the very most recent update cuz I didn't even know about it yet.

I sent the bug .alp in to Ableton. I think I was just changing pre-sets on Massive when Live cratered. I crashed with this modest little setup at least 4 times before I threw my hands up in disgust, having wasted another session.