Actually, the situation with the American media relashionship with the government looks more and more scary. Embedded journalism, no civilian casualties on tv, voluntary self-editing by all major networks at the request of the federal goverment, forced resignation of a nypress editor over Pope jokes, and the scariest of all - running government produced pre-fabricated news segments essentially masked as "real news". I think all you guys concerned about freedom of speech should quickly figure out what to do about it, because clearly, the First Amendment is not enough if the press is too lazy/complacent to do its job.rtopia wrote:The US already has a "relatively" open society - we're just giving it over "bit by bit" as we give the government more power to do the things that we no longer wish to be respsonsible for.
an old thread -- please ignore
what exactly is 'the nazi army'
once again its a blanket term, do you mean the SS, the luftwaffe, the navy or the wermacht?
if you have read any history books about the second world war you'd have realised that most of the wermachts generals hated hitler - they didnt all agree with everything he did blindly - but if you voiced your opinion in berlin in the early 1940's you were liable to be shot, think about it - what would you have done? speak up and die or shut up and live.
sorry, but it gets my goat when people just bandy about the term nazi for everything that is bad in the world - the communists under stalin were just as bad
just because you are a rascist doesn't automatically mean you have hitler memoribilia in your closet - i know many rascists (to a certain extent we all are) who couldn't even spell adolf hitler
and anyway - this is a board about music not politics - never the twain shall meet
rant over - as you were
mosca
once again its a blanket term, do you mean the SS, the luftwaffe, the navy or the wermacht?
if you have read any history books about the second world war you'd have realised that most of the wermachts generals hated hitler - they didnt all agree with everything he did blindly - but if you voiced your opinion in berlin in the early 1940's you were liable to be shot, think about it - what would you have done? speak up and die or shut up and live.
sorry, but it gets my goat when people just bandy about the term nazi for everything that is bad in the world - the communists under stalin were just as bad
just because you are a rascist doesn't automatically mean you have hitler memoribilia in your closet - i know many rascists (to a certain extent we all are) who couldn't even spell adolf hitler
and anyway - this is a board about music not politics - never the twain shall meet
rant over - as you were
mosca
Honestly, I have no idea. I am not religious, and I attach no universal moral value to lifestyle choices. I undestand that for people of faith this may be different. But for example, I think the whole Clinton-Levinsky expose did more harm than good - it just took away public resourses and time better spent on much more important issues.computo wrote:Yeah thats messed up, about the libel in other countries...
would you say its in the publics interest when say, a pastor or preacher is exposed as having a philandering lifestyle or a secret family?
Anything connected to public funds - most definitely. Personal wealth - not so sure but there definitely needs to be more scrutiny than with a regular person - I think most public figures understand and accept that.How bout a politicians financial records?
Word.Open society is best, and hardest to attain
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ilia you are such an unpatriotic conspiracy theorist rollover liberal. face reality, we are a christian nation, under god, and we will fight for freedom. we are freedom lovers and we believe in the culture of life. the terrorists may seek to defy us, but we will prevail and demolish them. we will protect america against these criminal evildoers. we will forcefully remove their weapons of mass destruction, and bring their peoples the gift of democracy and freedom. we will liberate them. these renegade states are the axis of evil. we are at war.
you are either with us or against us.
you are either with us or against us.
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anonymouse
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i'm raising the terror alert level to burgundy because you are stepping out of line and you need to feel the fear.
plus I am not impressed with your recent choices in movie rental, the transactions on your credit card nor the library books you currently are reading. futhermore we've been listening to your recent telephone conversations and we think you might be a terrorist. all of this information-gathering is perfectly legal now. Of course we are only doing it to protect you from the evil.
plus I am not impressed with your recent choices in movie rental, the transactions on your credit card nor the library books you currently are reading. futhermore we've been listening to your recent telephone conversations and we think you might be a terrorist. all of this information-gathering is perfectly legal now. Of course we are only doing it to protect you from the evil.
well, I honestly thought there were better political analysts on this website...
The point of religious figures being exposed is that it shows the hypocrisy (practice what you preach and all)
Clinton/Lewinsky- No BS, Monica Lewinsky is my fraternity brothers sister. I have HEAVILY analyzed this event, and the major political outcome of it was this...It set the precedent for a President to be impeached, and not leave office. That is major. especially the situation we are in with Bush.
Election 2000- If you are unaware of the massive fraud that took place, you are a fucking idiot. any of you. I would encourage anyone who challenges this to investigate Clint Curtiss, as well as the children of Supreme Court (they decided that election, no one else) Justice Antonin Scalia. the only other thing I can say is, dont be a fucking idiot, your vote is gone.
The greater quesiton of US elections. The only people that dont vote here, are those who know the process is fucked. Those who should be most disenfranchised still turn out in HUGE numbers, and yet, miraculously for Bush and the reFucklicans, it always turns up in their favor. Again, I refer you to Clint Curtiss, and his sworn testimony, and affrimed polygraph.
and anonymouse, whoa, legal doesnt mean moral. and when you spout the party line like that you sound like a nazi. (btw, just cause the army officers and leadership may have hated or envyed Hitler, doesnt mean they werent complicit in the commission of Genocide or War Crimes. I beg you to examine who you defend before you make that kind of defence!
The point of religious figures being exposed is that it shows the hypocrisy (practice what you preach and all)
Clinton/Lewinsky- No BS, Monica Lewinsky is my fraternity brothers sister. I have HEAVILY analyzed this event, and the major political outcome of it was this...It set the precedent for a President to be impeached, and not leave office. That is major. especially the situation we are in with Bush.
Election 2000- If you are unaware of the massive fraud that took place, you are a fucking idiot. any of you. I would encourage anyone who challenges this to investigate Clint Curtiss, as well as the children of Supreme Court (they decided that election, no one else) Justice Antonin Scalia. the only other thing I can say is, dont be a fucking idiot, your vote is gone.
The greater quesiton of US elections. The only people that dont vote here, are those who know the process is fucked. Those who should be most disenfranchised still turn out in HUGE numbers, and yet, miraculously for Bush and the reFucklicans, it always turns up in their favor. Again, I refer you to Clint Curtiss, and his sworn testimony, and affrimed polygraph.
and anonymouse, whoa, legal doesnt mean moral. and when you spout the party line like that you sound like a nazi. (btw, just cause the army officers and leadership may have hated or envyed Hitler, doesnt mean they werent complicit in the commission of Genocide or War Crimes. I beg you to examine who you defend before you make that kind of defence!
so get your news from blogs or even better yet...ilia wrote:Actually, the situation with the American media relashionship with the government looks more and more scary. Embedded journalism, no civilian casualties on tv, voluntary self-editing by all major networks at the request of the federal goverment, forced resignation of a nypress editor over Pope jokes, and the scariest of all - running government produced pre-fabricated news segments essentially masked as "real news". I think all you guys concerned about freedom of speech should quickly figure out what to do about it, because clearly, the First Amendment is not enough if the press is too lazy/complacent to do its job.rtopia wrote:The US already has a "relatively" open society - we're just giving it over "bit by bit" as we give the government more power to do the things that we no longer wish to be respsonsible for.
...make friends around the world that could give you first hand accounts.
the only reason the media you're afraid of is "what it is" because people read/watch/listen to it.
The press is as complacent and lazy as we're willing to pay them to be.
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hmmmm...computo wrote:Election 2000- If you are unaware of the massive fraud that
took place, you are a fucking idiot.
I'm a fucking idiot and I was the first person in this thread that defended you.
If more people would've showed up the election wouldn't have been close enough to "rig" (even if it was).computo wrote:I would encourage anyone who challenges this to investigate Clint Curtiss, as well as the children of Supreme Court (they decided that election, no one else) Justice Antonin Scalia.
so what's you're solution? appoint a king?computo wrote:the only other thing I can say is, dont be a fucking idiot, your vote is gone.
So the apathetic, who don't vote because they're not interested in politics are just as enlightened as you are? i wonder why anyone would lie about something like that?computo wrote: The only people that dont vote here, are those who know the process is fucked.
you'd think they'd care enough to stop me from wasting my time....
did you ever consider that Bush was only one between the two that had a plan?computo wrote: Those who should be most disenfranchised still turn out in HUGE numbers, and yet, miraculously for Bush and the reFucklicans, it always turns up in their favor.
I know most people don't vote in protest like I do (my candidates never win) and actually pick the lesser of two evils.
The only thing that surprised me about 2004 is that Bush didn't win bigger.
only a fucking idiot wouldnt be able to see that you can make no assertions about the numbers involved, if fraud occured.
You cant assert that if more people had voted things would be different, because you have no clue how many people voted for who, and the repubs saw to it that you never will. The kind of fraud that occured in the most recent election, you'd never know who voted for who, or how many voted.
Some people just give up, others are vested, so they follow up, learn how these systems work. Maybe if you did, you'd see that the numbers dont matter if the machines they are using swallow or switch their votes.
Also, Im not here to give you a solution, just deliver the truth. part of it is that the dems are pussies, as easily corrupted as anyone. That doesnt forgive or disguise massive fraud. If Im correct, rtopia gives respect for Bush because he had a plan to defraud the nation, and Gore was left with no plan to defraud them better? Otherwise, you are saying that Bush had policies which drew people in...only a certain kind of person is mentally corrupted by Bushes drivle.
so you dont vote rtopia?
You cant assert that if more people had voted things would be different, because you have no clue how many people voted for who, and the repubs saw to it that you never will. The kind of fraud that occured in the most recent election, you'd never know who voted for who, or how many voted.
Some people just give up, others are vested, so they follow up, learn how these systems work. Maybe if you did, you'd see that the numbers dont matter if the machines they are using swallow or switch their votes.
Also, Im not here to give you a solution, just deliver the truth. part of it is that the dems are pussies, as easily corrupted as anyone. That doesnt forgive or disguise massive fraud. If Im correct, rtopia gives respect for Bush because he had a plan to defraud the nation, and Gore was left with no plan to defraud them better? Otherwise, you are saying that Bush had policies which drew people in...only a certain kind of person is mentally corrupted by Bushes drivle.
so you dont vote rtopia?
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anonymouse
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i was completely joking - I thought you'd spot thatcomputo wrote:anonymouse, whoa, legal doesnt mean moral. and when you spout the party line like that you sound like a nazi. (btw, just cause the army officers and leadership may have hated or envyed Hitler, doesnt mean they werent complicit in the commission of Genocide or War Crimes. I beg you to examine who you defend before you make that kind of defence!
What is scary though is that that sort of over-the-top nutcase rhetoric is exactly what is driving the current administration's agenda of manipulation and bogeymanism.
This stuff sounds way better coming out of the mouth of Jon Stewart 
Seriously though...
Racism is something based on ignorance.
Nobody is born a racist.
On the subject of racism and america...
I think Chris Rock said it best in his show "never scared".
"A black C-student can run no f*cking company. A black C-student cant even be the manager of burger king.
Meanwhile a white C-student just happens to be the president of the united states of america".
Nobody should have to have a problem with people of different races.
But with country's like the USA it's not hard.
First people are divided in red or blue staters.
Then they are divided into races, sexual preference,......
Then they are divided by their social status. And there are probably some other factors i forgot.
As a young european with limited political knowledge, i hope you wont be to hard on me.
I just wanted to chimme in because it's about the right point in the thread to get this of my chest.
The sooner people get past these issues. The sooner we can explore space as one race: mankind.
(Then we let the machines take over)
This post was for nobody specific, so don't rant please.
It's just my view, that if we want to get rid of hard-to-solve problems like AIDS, cancer and other terminal diseases.
We first need to eradicate things like racism.
Cheers
Seriously though...
Racism is something based on ignorance.
Nobody is born a racist.
On the subject of racism and america...
I think Chris Rock said it best in his show "never scared".
"A black C-student can run no f*cking company. A black C-student cant even be the manager of burger king.
Meanwhile a white C-student just happens to be the president of the united states of america".
Nobody should have to have a problem with people of different races.
But with country's like the USA it's not hard.
First people are divided in red or blue staters.
Then they are divided into races, sexual preference,......
Then they are divided by their social status. And there are probably some other factors i forgot.
As a young european with limited political knowledge, i hope you wont be to hard on me.
I just wanted to chimme in because it's about the right point in the thread to get this of my chest.
The sooner people get past these issues. The sooner we can explore space as one race: mankind.
(Then we let the machines take over)
This post was for nobody specific, so don't rant please.
It's just my view, that if we want to get rid of hard-to-solve problems like AIDS, cancer and other terminal diseases.
We first need to eradicate things like racism.
Cheers