Notation in Live 9?

[SubFunk]

seeing that stuff like notation is even 'considered' right now makes me really loosing my faith that development will move into the right direction, i mean there is so much basic stuff to be sorted before that.

We keep track of and consider every user request.

Best,

i am well aware of it, but in what time dimension?, so it's worth mentioning as such...?

i think you guys have really enough on your back already... bridge anyone? for instance, fixing share and other basic issues...

saying it's on the consideration list is true, i have no doubt about that, but what? in 1-2 years time it might be implemented?

so why throwing a bone if it is in reality still so far away...? or are you guys gonna surprise us with a dead, dead stable version sorting out all the communication you got to do with the majority of 3rd party plugin producers, etc. to deliver what is expected as a basic plus nice features like notation? in no time?

wow! i will be impressed.

i know you always try to be so nice to everyone about everything... how about being a bit more real?

just be real, otherwise it's hard to take you or ableton seriously. that is all that's asked for, really.

we are not stupid kids, at least not all of us.


best.

[Dennis DeSantis]

"Throwing a bone" would be saying something market-y like: "Watch this space for more news! You might be surprised by what Ableton has for YOU...just around the corner!"

I think it would be more accurate to say that, by responding to a long thread in which numerous users discuss a feature request, I've simply reminded users that we actually do keep track of their wishes.

As for your suggestion that I be "more real," how about this: we don't provide any information about future release plans.

Best,

[SubFunk]

"Throwing a bone" would be saying something market-y like: "Watch this space for more news! You might be surprised by what Ableton has for YOU...just around the corner!"

I think it would be more accurate to say that, by responding to a long thread in which numerous users discuss a feature request, I've simply reminded users that we actually do keep track of their wishes.

As for your suggestion that I be "more real," how about this: we don't provide any information about future release plans.

Best,

well, we just bash our heads against each other i guess, so either we stay away from each other in the future, and that accounts for me as well not to react to you at all anymore (you pissed me already enough off with your McDonald's smile style, i told you already so... ) or we manage at some point to meet in person over a beer and discover each other on a more 'real level'

best.
axel

until then don't remind people about list that is as long as the spree.

[Tone Deft]

As for your suggestion that I be "more real," how about this: we don't provide any information about future release plans.

DOH!!

We keep track of and consider every user request.

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I can't read sheet music so this feature doesn't interest me BUT it could help teach us lazy slobs how to begin to read sheet music. it's like slipping our vitamins into ice cream so we'll eat them.

[SubFunk]

I can't read sheet music so this feature doesn't interest me BUT it could help teach us lazy slobs how to begin to read sheet music. it's like slipping our vitamins into ice cream so we'll eat them.

when did i ever claimed notation is bad thing, not worth having???

he?, can't read again?

try this: http://www.glassesusa.com/

[MPGK]

If I might remark: SubFunk's opinion on your feature politics doesn't reflect the opinion of the entire community. (with all respect for a fellow Kraut )

I for one think you've done a good job so far, even if not every single feature I would have wished for made the release yet, Live continues to surprise me with features I wouldn't have even thought of - also, many developers could definitely take a page from Ableton's book when it comes to direct customer support.

[Tone Deft]

I can't read sheet music so this feature doesn't interest me BUT it could help teach us lazy slobs how to begin to read sheet music. it's like slipping our vitamins into ice cream so we'll eat them.

when did i ever claimed notation is bad thing, not worth having???

he?, can't read again?

try this: http://www.glassesusa.com/

Axel my man, you're in severe need of some pussy. someone get this guy a bottle of whiskey and a fat chick, STAT!!

I do however need new glasses, thanks for the link.

I was referring to the topic in general, I wasn't addressing you. you'll know when I disagree with you. the whole goddamn forum will know when we disagree.


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[SubFunk]

If I might remark: SubFunk's opinion on your feature politics doesn't reflect the opinion of the entire community. (with all respect for a fellow Kraut )

I for one think you've done a good job so far, even if not every single feature I would have wished for made the release yet, Live continues to surprise me with features I wouldn't have even thought of - also, many developers could definitely take a page from Ableton's book when it comes to direct customer support.

i have no critics about the feature implementation (where the freakin' hell do you read this?), i have critics about how dennis is dealing with us, saying it is on a list, we are all aware of (unless you consider us being stupid kids as i said), that is sooo... far away that it feels like throwing a bone...

how real is the implementation? in respect to time, under a year?

all i said is that i think they have enough work to do already to get some of the missing basics right before... implementing things like notation and the like.

just get the core sorted and then we can talk about the future.

[Dennis DeSantis]

Hi folks,

So, to summarize:

- some people would like to see notation in future versions of Live
- some people would not like to see this, at least not in the near future
- notation is a complex topic
- Ableton is aware of this long-standing user request
- like all user requests, it's in a list of user-requested wishes
- we regularly look at and prioritize our wish list

So, can we declare this horse officially dead and move on?

Best,

[MPGK]

All I'm saying is let the Abes do their jobs, they've done it good so far and are obviously keeping track of user requests, I don't see how there's any throwing of bones involved in all this. I would handle it exactly the same way, saying "This or that feature will definitely be in Live 9" is just as unrealistic as saying "This or that feature will definitely not be in Live 9" is senseless at this point. We'll all see in due time and we can be pretty sure the guys at Ableton are doing their best to make as many people as possible happy with the next major release.

So yeah, let's move on.

[SubFunk]

Axel my man, you're in severe need of some pussy. someone get this guy a bottle of whiskey and a fat chick, STAT!!

i got sex and whisky thanks!, but i urgently need to get out of this town

[Akzel]

Hi folks,

The request for notation is definitely known and on our list of considerations.

Best,

Dennis, for what it's worth, I WOULD like to see notation in Live...

...but with certain limits. It should be visible in the same place as the MIDI editor, of course, but only one stave at a time. Zoomable and pannable in exactly the same way as the MIDI view, and a blank 4-bar clip would show up as an empty stave with 4 clean bars to write in.

But I would agree it's not a priority, and I would never want to see anything more than a single-stave view purely as an alternative editing method.

I totally agree with you!

[3phase]

Notation is part of music ! Music is not just ripping off some samples and lining them up with beats from Big Fish Audio ...

However - I do agree with you Ray, other priorities first. I think a fair % of the Live userbase are more likely to want a dozen things or more ahead of adding notation.

notation is part of music you dont need tools like live for.. a good ol pencil and a piece of paper and your trusty piano should be well enough...

there is special notation software out there.. some runs on old atari computers and is maybe free by now and might run with an emulator because it dont needs midiport access.. but you can get a complete atari midi system with smpte interface and notator for 50-100 bucks theese days.. i ve 3 ataris and 2 creator/notator sets just because people brought me theire old ataris for free because i am known to like them..

they work especially well slaved to ableton live... its rather a win to have your midi editing on an atari and just record the results in ableton clips

with notator i was able to type in half a vivaldi symphonie in 6 hours.. as a beginner with the notation function...
( actually.. Brian May is playing parts of vivaldi scores all the time.. you realize when you have the voices single and let them play electric guitar sounds...)
So c-lab notator on atari is the one that will fullfill all your dreams score boys... ..or logic.. but an extra atari runs nicer than 2 daw´s on the same computer...

beside that there are defenetly more important things to add in L9 than notation.. that is another thing ableton is way behind.. they should better focus on the other daw features first instead spending expensiv resources on something one can realize with no or little money with external soft/hard-ware..

the change from creator to notator was a thing that needed c-lab 2 years ... its not a trival task to have complette score editing and printout...

[MPGK]

Notation is part of music ! Music is not just ripping off some samples and lining them up with beats from Big Fish Audio ...

However - I do agree with you Ray, other priorities first. I think a fair % of the Live userbase are more likely to want a dozen things or more ahead of adding notation.

notation is part of music you dont need tools like live for.. a good ol pencil and a piece of paper and your trusty piano should be well enough...

there is special notation software out there.. some runs on old atari computers and is maybe free by now and might run with an emulator because it dont needs midiport access.. but you can get a complete atari midi system with smpte interface and notator for 50-100 bucks theese days.. i ve 3 ataris and 2 creator/notator sets just because people brought me theire old ataris for free because i am known to like them..

they work especially well slaved to ableton live... its rather a win to have your midi editing on an atari and just record the results in ableton clips

And do you get that oldskool lo-fi sound we're all looking for when creating your notation with an Atari?

[3phase]

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And do you get that oldskool lo-fi sound we're all looking for when creating your notation with an Atari?

you get the oldschool groove.. and belive me.. that is pleasing..
and you get what you play on the keyboard..
and you get intelligent quantisation
and you get sys ex editing
and a sysex generator
and midi transformation commands..
and voice splitting of polyphon tracks
and quick transpose
and quick delay
and ghost tracks

so dumbo... the answer is indeed yes.. its just not lofi..rather the oposite when you have some hardware synth that make good use of tight midi over 3 independent ports..

and that all for nothing !! live can be cheaper than live