Ableton 8 & CDJ 2000 never ever run straight!

[Seviel]

How do you guys work around this problem;

Ableton 8 and the new Pioneer CDJ 2000 never ever run straight! I just get seasick of them.
Solution for the CDJ 2000 is simple just push and pull on during the whole mix!
Ableton 8: set a warp marking on every freaking 4th beat???? It's just silly.

Every show I go I hear the crappy beatmatching of these new CD players and Ableton 8.
Ableton 7 was deadstraight CDJ 1000 is deadstraight! FIX IT! ( I mean I was running 6 tracks at the same time with ableton7 deadstraight (warping of these tracks took 1 min each).
When I run 6 tracks at the same time in ableton 8 it sounds like a crashing airplane. (warping for each track took 5 min to 1 hour because I never ever been satified with the results yet, in any of the modes).

[McQ714]

...warping for each track took 5 min to 1 hour because I never ever been satified with the results yet, in any of the modes.

you must be the pickiest person in the entire world. or the slowest Live user... my 13 year old cousin could warp a track faster than that. learn how to use it and the warp engine works great. i don't know what kind of shit you are warping, but most of the house tracks i've loaded only need two markers. one at the first beat and one at the end. try this.. change those arrows underneath the type of warp you are choosing to the two arrows that both point forward.

and btw... i'm no dictionary, but "deadstraight" is not a word. it's not even a hyphenated word. it's two separate words, dead and straight. if you're going to make up words, at least take the time to put them in the urban dictionary.

[Seviel]

Well to be honest, I am the pickiest person in the world I think. I can't hear the complete rubbish warping anymore, and I know people on the floor won't hear it at all like you. But being a producer (minimal techno techhouse so dead straight tracks) I have to have a much pickier hearing than people on the floor.

The days of straight mixes are over I just have to get used to it I know. Or the industry has to work out this out of sync soft and hardware. When I heared tractor dj sets I realy was happy Ableton and Pioneer didnt go with this always "almost good sync"... Now they all go for this crap. To do it almost good is 10 times faster with the CDJ 2000 and with warping in Ableton 8 I agree... But to do it realy good is gone nearly impossible. But then again people don't hear it mixing 2 tracks together.

If you want to mix 4 or more tracks together like I always did in live 7, well this makes mathers worse. It is realy disappointing when you want to remix tracks live and push the envelope.


For the two arrows tip.. The beat warp realy is one of the worst sounding and thats appart from the sync problem. Complex pro sounds better to me but sync is the problem.

[nuperspective]

you completely lost me.

dont use autowarp.
dont use tracks recorded from vinyl.

use repitch mode
use 4 - 6 warp markers per track [1 on the first, 2 at the end for a loop out visual aid, and the rest at the breakdowns / drops to ensure everything is on track].

job done.

[Seviel]

I know how to beatmatch . If I do it right and there are a few possebility's to do it right, it just doesnt sound straight as ableton 3 to 7 (never used 1 or 2 except for steinberg remix think that was a broken version of 1 right?) sounded.

Live 8 places transients these are never correct (I buy all my music from beatport or other online shops).In some way transients mess with the music, if I delete them it goes totally wack. I can manually set the one million transients on the right place(not making them warp markers). What I want is to place the first and place the last like warp markers and let them line up instantly, these tracks are straight it is not needed to put all these transients around on wrong places, that obviously does not work. I know its to improve the sound quality, but at what cost. Then again sounding thin was never a problem, when playing at least 3 parts of tracks at the same time, but not everyone wants to do this.

Well my conclusion,
I gonna leave the transients for what they are (repitch mode would be least affected by them logically thinking). Still I like the dynamic which repitch cant give me. I mean throwing a Nirvana Track over a few techno tracks wont happen with repitch. So complex pro and just mix with less tracks at the same time.

[nuperspective]

I know how to beatmatch . If I do it right and there are a few possebility's to do it right, it just doesnt sound straight as ableton 3 to 7 (never used 1 or 2 except for steinberg remix think that was a broken version of 1 right?) sounded.

Live 8 places transients these are never correct (I buy all my music from beatport or other online shops).In some way transients mess with the music, if I delete them it goes totally wack. I can manually set the one million transients on the right place(not making them warp markers). What I want is to place the first and place the last like warp markers and let them line up instantly, these tracks are straight it is not needed to put all these transients around on wrong places, that obviously does not work. I know its to improve the sound quality, but at what cost. Then again sounding thin was never a problem, when playing at least 3 parts of tracks at the same time, but not everyone wants to do this.

Well my conclusion,
I gonna leave the transients for what they are (repitch mode would be least affected by them logically thinking). Still I like the dynamic which repitch cant give me. I mean throwing a Nirvana Track over a few techno tracks wont happen with repitch. So complex pro and just mix with less tracks at the same time.

no. im still lost.

you know you can turn transients off.

also if you dont like the transients you get simply create your own warp marker and drag the waveform transient to the beat marker.

[Nick Shepherd]

picky or not...

i really dont get your problem, your tunes shouldnt sound fucked-up at all when they are warped correctly - and by correctly i mean the way nuperspective sugested.

And yes, i am also very sensititve when it comes to the audio quality of the tracks i bought and that i am going to play... never had any problems at all (ok, granted i am not playing with cd players + ableton) and since live8 it improved the overall quality after warping in complex pro.

btw why are you djing with CDJ´s + Live in a way that you have those whacky sync problems - why not just use a 4 deck dvs + Live as a FX processor, hawtin style ? Forgive my ignorance but i simply dont see a great benefit from your setup, if i have understood it correctly

[Donnie]

Practice makes perfect. Sounds like you need to put the time in and get a hold on warping. Once you get it down it shouldnt take you more than 30 sec for a minimal tune. Dont use complex unless you have to, repitch should be fine for most things.

[nuperspective]

its a wind up - must be.

[Seviel]

I have wraped thousends of songs, they all sounded perfect... until the engine changed... Warping is not the problem I am an expert on this. The problem is the same as the CDJ 2000 the engine does things on his own I don't like the sound of it... To me it sounds out of sync. Up and Down Up and Down to go seasick like tracktor DJ.

To make it easyer for beginners they made it impossible to do things 100% synced. I know not everyone hears that and to most dj's its perfectly beatmatched, to me it is not. I am getting use to it as you hear it on every party... The days of the CDJ1000 were I could beatmatch every single track dead straight(with mastertempo) to mix it for 5 min wihout even touching the pitch, are over. I can do this with the CDJ 2000 just one in a few tracks and even then I hear that its wobeling (this is important) up and down which means its going to fast&to slow which makes no sense, unless the engine is doing something on its own and it is. Then I have to resist pitching it cause I know its pitched right. This very problem is the same as in the ableton 8 engine.

I play with live when I realy want to remix stuff to me thats what it is made for (not to simple mix some tracks together). I play with CDJ because then I just mix some songs together. And I play with USB sticks when I dont want to setup my complete live setup.

[Dalski]

Can you post some audio examples of what you mean please? I'm puzzled, as i'm sure the others are who are trying to help are.

[S4racen]

So your saying the cdj2000's are crap? i'll send you my address and you can ship them if you like??

Cheers
D

[phil909]

i've no idea what he's on about either but i can assure you that the cdj2000's are anything but crap, they're amazing.

[nuperspective]

audio examples and a dj set or it didnt happen?

BTW

i still havent got a clue.

if the mix is out why would you not correct it? believe your ears not the tech.

[flippo]

use a metronome track to demon strait this.