True- there are. However, as anybody who knows me will tell you, if I knew about such a product, I wouldn't be posting in this thread to begin with.tw1nstates wrote:@ Ewistrand.
well, yeha, you should. But then there are those things called NDA's.
If they do, I buy it and buy Reaktor !tw1nstates wrote:next?
I mean, they have all the building blocks in place for an Awesome one.
Kore - stable au / vst host.
Maschine - sequencing and automation
Controller stuff in place.
Traktor userbase and maschine userbase that would jump on an integrated, stable performance software.
It kinda makes sense to me.
I'd buy it if it did the things we all have been asking for in Ableton. . .
I was thinking about this last night and I reckon it's a good possibility.
times change, and sometimes very fast, NI has moved without many people noticing yet.UncleAge wrote:I'm not tryin' to pee in anyone's Wheaties here but...
Since when did NI become the industry leader in stability, great gui's and cpu efficiency? These are three things that are pretty much a must have for any (read: most) hosts. And unless it's a closed system like Reason I can only imagine the nightmare of getting NI customer support in line with all the "hey my plug doesn't work" requests. And they would also have to come up with some other licensing scheme. I can't see tying up my whole gig with NI's service center. Couple all of that with just one more question... Just how much would they need to improve on what's already out there to make worth anyone's (fanboi's excluded of course) worthwhile to switch?
I'm not saying they shouldn't try. I just won't be holding my breath. Now if Fabfilter, U-he, Spectrasonics or Camel Audio were to hint at such a thing, my ears would perk up a bit. But not a lot. I (like most of you) am very spoiled with what's on my plate already. Starting down another alphabetabugriddenupdateupgradeuntiltheygetitright path with another dev doesn't appeal to me at all. Nada, zip, zilch, fuggettaboutit...
GAFM ***Oh, I have noticed. They've put out a lot of preset packs and have put some make-up on some of their older stuff. They look like they want to start doing what others do instead of leading the way. Don't get me wrong, I'm not anti-NI, I own and use K5 and plan on getting K6 soon. But I really can't see them making a DAW any better than most of what's out there already. So IMO, NI making a DAW is a yawn at best. I understand you disagree and I'm ok with that tooSubFunk wrote:times change, and sometimes very fast, NI has moved without many people noticing yet.UncleAge wrote:I'm not tryin' to pee in anyone's Wheaties here but...
Since when did NI become the industry leader in stability, great gui's and cpu efficiency? These are three things that are pretty much a must have for any (read: most) hosts. And unless it's a closed system like Reason I can only imagine the nightmare of getting NI customer support in line with all the "hey my plug doesn't work" requests. And they would also have to come up with some other licensing scheme. I can't see tying up my whole gig with NI's service center. Couple all of that with just one more question... Just how much would they need to improve on what's already out there to make worth anyone's (fanboi's excluded of course) worthwhile to switch?
I'm not saying they shouldn't try. I just won't be holding my breath. Now if Fabfilter, U-he, Spectrasonics or Camel Audio were to hint at such a thing, my ears would perk up a bit. But not a lot. I (like most of you) am very spoiled with what's on my plate already. Starting down another alphabetabugriddenupdateupgradeuntiltheygetitright path with another dev doesn't appeal to me at all. Nada, zip, zilch, fuggettaboutit...
keep on sleeping. they changed their artist company relation and that is what shoots them ahead right now.
Boring...UncleAge wrote:Oh, I have noticed. They've put out a lot of preset packs and have put some make-up on some of their older stuff. They look like they want to start doing what others do instead of leading the way. Don't get me wrong, I'm not anti-NI, I own and use K5 and plan on getting K6 soon. But I really can't see them making a DAW any better than most of what's out there already. So IMO, NI making a DAW is a yawn at best. I understand you disagree and I'm ok with that tooSubFunk wrote:times change, and sometimes very fast, NI has moved without many people noticing yet.UncleAge wrote:I'm not tryin' to pee in anyone's Wheaties here but...
Since when did NI become the industry leader in stability, great gui's and cpu efficiency? These are three things that are pretty much a must have for any (read: most) hosts. And unless it's a closed system like Reason I can only imagine the nightmare of getting NI customer support in line with all the "hey my plug doesn't work" requests. And they would also have to come up with some other licensing scheme. I can't see tying up my whole gig with NI's service center. Couple all of that with just one more question... Just how much would they need to improve on what's already out there to make worth anyone's (fanboi's excluded of course) worthwhile to switch?
I'm not saying they shouldn't try. I just won't be holding my breath. Now if Fabfilter, U-he, Spectrasonics or Camel Audio were to hint at such a thing, my ears would perk up a bit. But not a lot. I (like most of you) am very spoiled with what's on my plate already. Starting down another alphabetabugriddenupdateupgradeuntiltheygetitright path with another dev doesn't appeal to me at all. Nada, zip, zilch, fuggettaboutit...
keep on sleeping. they changed their artist company relation and that is what shoots them ahead right now.
+1the (live plugins) UI/ integration makes sense and they're stable as hell.
Why would it be a closed system? Kore isn't closed, you can load any VST or audio unit in it. I don't see why an NI DAW would be any different.tlennon wrote:I really don't see it happening. The DAW market is pretty competitive already and I doubt that NI would be interested in developing the closed system paradigm as Propellerhead.
Agreed - Dude if NI came out with a hardware/software keyboard synthesizer in the likes of Maschine - It would be FKN SICK. No doubt. I'm sure they got some shit up their sleeves...glitchrock-buddha wrote:Why would it be a closed system? Kore isn't closed, you can load any VST or audio unit in it. I don't see why an NI DAW would be any different.tlennon wrote:I really don't see it happening. The DAW market is pretty competitive already and I doubt that NI would be interested in developing the closed system paradigm as Propellerhead.
I think they have other more lucrative avenues to follow though - mainly a synth/workstation instrument that follows the design philosophy of Maschine. Software completely in the box, but hardware to have complete control over it. They did it right with Maschine and nobody else had yet. I'm sure there will be more to come.
right on!glitchrock-buddha wrote:
Software completely in the box, but hardware to have complete control over it. They did it right with Maschine and nobody else had yet. I'm sure there will be more to come.
If Muse research and NI had come up with some sort of awesome combo of Maschine, Kore, or eve Rig Kontrol, I wouldn't think this, but they didn't and nothing points to them doing so anytime soon.
