Will ableton and all my vsts work if I install windows 7 64b

[peter_heard01]

Hi Guys,

Just wondering a friend has kindly donated a 64 bit dual core processor pentium pc. What im wondering is if I Install windows 7 64 bit will it run ableton and all of my vsts etc or should I stick a 32 bit version of windows on it? It has 4gb ram.

Thanks
Pete

[buffportion]

If you only have 4GB RAM there's not much point using 64 bit Windows. Also, I've had a few problems with drivers and audio software on Win 7 64, so I would stick to 32 bit until the support gets better.

[mojofunk]

Not to mention that Windows 7 is butt-ass slow! My desktop, which I do not use for audio, has recently been replaced with brand new hardware, so I thought I would try Win 7 out - all seemed well until I tried even the slightest multi task or file operations. It was impossible to watch a video file or listen to streaming audio while copying files from one fixed disk to another or even on the same disk! WTF? 90% cpu for moving a file? And 2.5 megs a sec copy speed? 60% cpu just sitting there with notepad open? So I googled the hell out of it and discovered many many others having similar problems, tried all the ideas, made sure all my drivers were good to go, it was all set up fine, it is just that the drive caching methodology and the audio API wrapper system used by Vista-type systems (7) means that people like me who want to actually use our computers for more than email are fucked (if we want to stay with a modern pc os). I cant believe that in all the years of "progress" they shot themselves in the foot so badly, and broke stuff that worked already perfectly well. Stupidos. So now I have a partition that is sporting a screamingly fast XP sp3 (the new hardware is swank!), and a spiffy eye candy 64 bit Linux Mint partition - both of which blaze for file tasks, and can multitask like motherfuckers without choking. I am happy with the hardware software combination, and barring meltdown, I may never get hyped on the bullshit "upgrade" wagon again - hey, even a 50 year old Leica can take great pictures, if you see what I mean. /rant

[dentaku]

If your audio interface has 64bit Win7 drivers I would do it. Win7 64bit works fine for me and it has no problem running 32bit software.
The only thing that I would do is to make a VstPlugins folder in the root of C:\ and NOT in C:\Program Files (x86)\......
Many VST don't like being installed there.

Hi Guys,

Just wondering a friend has kindly donated a 64 bit dual core processor pentium pc. What im wondering is if I Install windows 7 64 bit will it run ableton and all of my vsts etc or should I stick a 32 bit version of windows on it? It has 4gb ram.

Thanks
Pete

[phattline]

nop definitvly not all VST are working on windows 7 64bit!!!! Maybe all MAX and Ableton Plugs, but not 3rd party plugs, some work some not!

[peter_heard01]

Not to mention that Windows 7 is butt-ass slow! My desktop, which I do not use for audio, has recently been replaced with brand new hardware, so I thought I would try Win 7 out - all seemed well until I tried even the slightest multi task or file operations. It was impossible to watch a video file or listen to streaming audio while copying files from one fixed disk to another or even on the same disk! WTF? 90% cpu for moving a file? And 2.5 megs a sec copy speed? 60% cpu just sitting there with notepad open? So I googled the hell out of it and discovered many many others having similar problems, tried all the ideas, made sure all my drivers were good to go, it was all set up fine, it is just that the drive caching methodology and the audio API wrapper system used by Vista-type systems (7) means that people like me who want to actually use our computers for more than email are fucked (if we want to stay with a modern pc os). I cant believe that in all the years of "progress" they shot themselves in the foot so badly, and broke stuff that worked already perfectly well. Stupidos. So now I have a partition that is sporting a screamingly fast XP sp3 (the new hardware is swank!), and a spiffy eye candy 64 bit Linux Mint partition - both of which blaze for file tasks, and can multitask like motherfuckers without choking. I am happy with the hardware software combination, and barring meltdown, I may never get hyped on the bullshit "upgrade" wagon again - hey, even a 50 year old Leica can take great pictures, if you see what I mean. /rant

thats a good rant man must have took you awhile to write. Love the depth. Ok so I dont know hy your windows 7 is so slow I have just installed it on a dual core 3 ghz pentium andits doing fine. Between hard disks I get about 35 MB/s transfer. Did you try a clean install? Sorry if you duid you obviously did but ive been using t in work and I have now installed it on the machine I posted about and its been running ableton 8 fine with loads of tracks.

[peter_heard01]

Ive installed windows 7 32 bit and ableton 8 all working fine! According to ableton site Ableton is a 32 bit app so no real point in trying to install 64 bit, I mean whats the point apart from extra memory I guess I would just get problems with Vsts, being a programmer I rather just keep it simple rather be making music than f**ing round reinstalling OS's..

Cheers for the advice about staying away from 64 bit

[mojofunk]

Hey there Peter . . . yeah, a bit of a rant, but I wrote it at work, so I had plenty of time (Lol!). Well, I am perplexed. 35 mbps, huh? See, thats what I would expect in any OS. The capacity of the wire used. I can't imagine what the variable might be - all the hardware is brand new, and it seems that lots of other folks are having troubles also. I did quite a bit of research I didn't run across anyone suggesting one or another piece of hardware as being suspect . . . gosh, I'm stumped. Well, I suppose I won't go around slagging Win 7 quite so generally any more, and as most people won't know what I am talking about when I ask about their file operation speeds, I suppose I may never know what is going wrong. Xp is performing quite quickly and at this point I am finally settling in, so maybe I'll wait for Windows OS X and try again then!

Thanks for mentioning it - but now I am confused! Perhaps an abacus and a few sheets of paper could be my next computer. Add a lap steel and some beer, and I'd be in heaven.

[peter_heard01]

Hey there Peter . . . yeah, a bit of a rant, but I wrote it at work, so I had plenty of time (Lol!). Well, I am perplexed. 35 mbps, huh? See, thats what I would expect in any OS. The capacity of the wire used. I can't imagine what the variable might be - all the hardware is brand new, and it seems that lots of other folks are having troubles also. I did quite a bit of research I didn't run across anyone suggesting one or another piece of hardware as being suspect . . . gosh, I'm stumped. Well, I suppose I won't go around slagging Win 7 quite so generally any more, and as most people won't know what I am talking about when I ask about their file operation speeds, I suppose I may never know what is going wrong. Xp is performing quite quickly and at this point I am finally settling in, so maybe I'll wait for Windows OS X and try again then!

Thanks for mentioning it - but now I am confused! Perhaps an abacus and a few sheets of paper could be my next computer. Add a lap steel and some beer, and I'd be in heaven.

lol, dunno what to suggest are you sure you wiped everything and did a fresh install?, I have 3 pcs in house now all with windows ultimate, alll networked perfectly with the homegroup feature and all synced up with live mesh. Can even just get in from work anytime. And they are bang on they really are. I can even say that at once I feel smug about the fact that Im better than a mac user. I genuinly am proud of windows 7 man. I did a photo for you of the transfer speeds so you wouldnt get too disheartened...



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Im running an AMD athlon x2 (1gb Ram) sata (which the pic is from)
And intel pentium D dual core 3.5 GB whiocch absolutely canes ableton even with llike 50 tracks.

My mates macbook cant seem to match it.......

Im deffo a pc now
..

[mojofunk]

Hey Peter. Huh - thanks for the screenshot (all Aero and everything!), I think I now have a mission to figure out whats up with my configuration . . . I have the Linux partition to play around with, perhaps I will try Windows 7 on that. I will make it submit to my superior human intellect! Thats a joy that mac guys don't know about - their stuff doesn't throw down the gauntlet quite the same way, but that dependability comes at the expense of a lack of flexibility, not to mention cheaper firepower and a zillion programs. But I will beat it - you have shown me that it is possible! Windows 7 will cower at my wrath! Too long have the files slacked off - copy or die! Tee hee! Thanks man.