upgrade Virus from Indigo to TI or jump ship?

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nms
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Re: upgrade Virus from Indigo to TI or jump ship?

Post by nms » Sun Jul 11, 2010 4:47 pm

there's like 3200 of them. sifting through trying to find a particular sound was distracting and time consuming for me. as soon as I started making my own patches is when I fell in love with mine.
interface does not match: In the vst interface, you have to drag and drop preset names every time you want to change presets. On the hardware you click one time back and fourth.
seriously? it is SO much easier navigating to presets on the vst. You can see any 2 full banks of 127 presets on the screen at the same time and load any one of them by double clicking it.
On the hardware you get access to most of the paramters on one page. On the vst interface every section is on different pages.
On the vst interface, all the lfos are displayed on the same page. On the hardware interface, they are put in different pages. This is simply terrible and unusable for performance! solution could be to use a midi controller? Nope. Because the 3rd lfo is not midi mappable!
How is that terrible and unusable for performance? If you mean live performance why would you be mousing around on screen for functions you can grab hold of with your hands at any time on the unit? When I'm creating a patch I find it most useful to use the vst interface and hw interface simultaneously and it works a charm.

You would rather the vst interface be stuck with the same limitations as the hardware interface? I LOVE the fact that the vst interface is laid out a bit differently and has the diff sections organized under tabbed groups. It's a lot more functional than trying to squish everything onto one huge vst interface. When you are making a patch and want to program one area (fx) it's nice to have a page dedicated to that. Between the vst and the unit's interface you have the choice to do anything however you prefer. Tweak what you prefer on the hw and what you prefer to do on the vst.
Want to rename a preset in the vst interface? Cant do it. Gotta use the hardware interface..
Man.. I think everything except the sound and the presets is fucked up! I rarely create presets with the virus Ti. Its to time consuming.
you can rename any loaded preset as easily as double clicking the name, typing it in, and then saving it.
as for it being too time consuming, you have the flexibility of using the vst and hw interface at the same time.. you also have section locking which I have never seen on any other synth, vst or hw, which allows you to lock the fx or any other sections and surf thru presetsto find other osc patches to use, or lock your osc section and surf thru presets trying on diff fx. It sounds like you just need to spend some more time with yours so you guys can get along nicer ;)

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Re: upgrade Virus from Indigo to TI or jump ship?

Post by Rave » Sun Jul 11, 2010 5:02 pm

How long has the synth been out for?

I ask because they may refresh it.

nms
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Re: upgrade Virus from Indigo to TI or jump ship?

Post by nms » Sun Jul 11, 2010 5:18 pm

Ti2 came out last year. I would not wait around for a new model. It would most likely run the same OS as the current models anyways and they release all OS updates free. OS4 was just released this year.

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Re: upgrade Virus from Indigo to TI or jump ship?

Post by Rave » Sun Jul 11, 2010 5:38 pm

Thank you

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Re: upgrade Virus from Indigo to TI or jump ship?

Post by Formic » Sun Jul 11, 2010 9:32 pm

I have a Ti Polar - it's the tits

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Re: upgrade Virus from Indigo to TI or jump ship?

Post by Machinesworking » Sun Jul 11, 2010 11:50 pm

nowtime wrote:Listening around to some Googlenet audio examples, so far it seems the Virus is the best thing on the market. Poly Evolver sounds very 80's. Andromeda - meh. Blofeld - meh. Nords - cool but it seemed a little limited compared to the Virus.
I would never go by audio examples on the internet, but I hardly ever use factory presets on synths.
I would take the Andromeda any day, but I love the bass I've heard that thing produce a lot. 8) The Ti seems like a good choice for a live instrument if your a single note synth player, 37 keys is too little. The Poly evolver is far from 80's sounding, it's by far the most modern synth of the bunch you mentioned.

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Re: upgrade Virus from Indigo to TI or jump ship?

Post by ze2be » Mon Jul 12, 2010 12:09 am

nms wrote:It sounds like you just need to spend some more time with yours so you guys can get along nicer ;)
Haha. Its a love/hate relationship, I tell ya! The bitch is dam hot, but she can only cook one piece of the meal at a time, so when the next one is ready, the first is already cold. I could have turned into a drunk, if it was not for my secret lover Surge, she can cook like 10 sushi chefs, at the same time. ;)

Yeah, admit I was wrong on the preset naming, but the rest I stand by. I cant spend to much time with this babe, she drives me nuts!

I love the new effects. Get it bro, you want regret it. ;)

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Re: upgrade Virus from Indigo to TI or jump ship?

Post by nms » Mon Jul 12, 2010 6:20 am

ze2be wrote:she can only cook one piece of the meal at a time, so when the next one is ready, the first is already cold. I could have turned into a drunk, if it was not for my secret lover Surge, she can cook like 10 sushi chefs, at the same time. ;)
haha.. maybe yours is broken. mine can 'cook' 16 parts in at a time and I find things to go MUCH quicker when I have the full hardware interface in front of me and the vst onscreen for fine tuning particular areas.

out of curiousity.. how long have you owned yours for?

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Re: upgrade Virus from Indigo to TI or jump ship?

Post by ze2be » Mon Jul 12, 2010 10:10 am

nms wrote:
ze2be wrote:she can only cook one piece of the meal at a time, so when the next one is ready, the first is already cold. I could have turned into a drunk, if it was not for my secret lover Surge, she can cook like 10 sushi chefs, at the same time. ;)
haha.. maybe yours is broken. mine can 'cook' 16 parts in at a time and I find things to go MUCH quicker when I have the full hardware interface in front of me and the vst onscreen for fine tuning particular areas.

out of curiousity.. how long have you owned yours for?
I bought it the first year it was relleased. Ive had all the viruses. :) lfos are as important to play as the filter to me. How would you like if they hide the filter in menus? This does not bug most people, but it annoys me to the degree that it gets used a lot less then I want to. Working with vsts like massive and surge, its falling behind in comparison. If I need a spesific sound, i create it with surge, fast as lightning. If im not in a creative hurry, or if im not working with others, I might pull it out and flick through a page or two with presets. Pick out 3 that goes well together, tweek em a bit, and give them each a channel in live. 3 stereo signals over usb seems to be the maximum it can handle. I sold the polar and got the snow. No need for 16 parts and a gazillion polyphonys, when I can only get 3 stereo signals from it, so I can use lives and other vst effects with it. I travel a lot, the snow is easier to bring. I wish they did a tiny Ti, like an express card or something. And a light weight dedicated controler.

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Re: upgrade Virus from Indigo to TI or jump ship?

Post by KrisM » Mon Jul 12, 2010 5:00 pm

Send me your Indigo. the only thing holding me back from trying to win a TI Snow in Access' current competition is that it must use... vuvuzelas. 8O If Access released an iLok Virus plugin I'd buy it. And I am openly vocal against iLok/dongles.
Rave wrote:Is it just a Tarnce machine?
nms wrote:that would be like saying ableton is only good for making hip hop.

it's the most powerful synth in current production as far as I know.. what you make with it is up to you.
both quoted just because Dr. Dre is listed on the Virus artist page. Definitely not a tarnce producah.
I don't 'produce.' I write music.

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Re: upgrade Virus from Indigo to TI or jump ship?

Post by nowtime » Tue Jul 13, 2010 3:37 am

Machinesworking wrote:
nowtime wrote:Listening around to some Googlenet audio examples, so far it seems the Virus is the best thing on the market. Poly Evolver sounds very 80's. Andromeda - meh. Blofeld - meh. Nords - cool but it seemed a little limited compared to the Virus.
I would never go by audio examples on the internet, but I hardly ever use factory presets on synths.
I would take the Andromeda any day, but I love the bass I've heard that thing produce a lot. 8) The Ti seems like a good choice for a live instrument if your a single note synth player, 37 keys is too little. The Poly evolver is far from 80's sounding, it's by far the most modern synth of the bunch you mentioned.

Modern? I trust your opinion and this is a very surprising statement. What the hell is modern in the world of synth music? Bass wobble? Sure would love to try one...
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Re: upgrade Virus from Indigo to TI or jump ship?

Post by LeifonMars » Tue Jul 13, 2010 8:08 am

nowtime wrote:
Machinesworking wrote:
nowtime wrote:Listening around to some Googlenet audio examples, so far it seems the Virus is the best thing on the market. Poly Evolver sounds very 80's. Andromeda - meh. Blofeld - meh. Nords - cool but it seemed a little limited compared to the Virus.
I would never go by audio examples on the internet, but I hardly ever use factory presets on synths.
I would take the Andromeda any day, but I love the bass I've heard that thing produce a lot. 8) The Ti seems like a good choice for a live instrument if your a single note synth player, 37 keys is too little. The Poly evolver is far from 80's sounding, it's by far the most modern synth of the bunch you mentioned.

Modern? I trust your opinion and this is a very surprising statement. What the hell is modern in the world of synth music? Bass wobble? Sure would love to try one...
Evolver is something unique, unexpected, inspiring. Far from 80's.
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Re: upgrade Virus from Indigo to TI or jump ship?

Post by nebulae » Tue Jul 13, 2010 5:35 pm

Why are we even having this discussion, since Tiesto's dead?

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Re: upgrade Virus from Indigo to TI or jump ship?

Post by Machinesworking » Tue Jul 13, 2010 5:41 pm

nowtime wrote: Modern? I trust your opinion and this is a very surprising statement. What the hell is modern in the world of synth music? Bass wobble? Sure would love to try one...
Well first of all the oscillators in the Evolver, it has two analogue and two digital wavetable style oscillators. Right at the start that's unique in synths. It has an analogue Low pass filter and a digital high pass, other more common fx like distortion and delay, but the delay is four part and there's an 'output hack' plus feedback distortion as well as regular.
The routing and modulation of the Evolver is where it's really different though, most parameters can be modulated by the four LFOs and/or the four 16 part step sequencers, or traditional things like mod wheels velocity etc. The big things are the extensive mod routing with the step sequencer and LFOs, but the inclusion of odd fx and analog as well as digital oscillators helps. It can easily sound like an 80's synth for sure when that combo of digital and analog was common, but that's not it's strong point, heavily modulated evolving patches are. :)

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Re: upgrade Virus from Indigo to TI or jump ship?

Post by LeifonMars » Tue Jul 13, 2010 6:21 pm

Machinesworking wrote:It can easily sound like an 80's synth
I've never succeeded to create a patch that would sound like 80's synth patch with Evolver, all the patches I've done with it sound more like fragments of information we've lost contact with. Lots of happy accident, inspirational stuff, no bread and butter. Then again, most of the times I have no clue what I'm actually doing with it.
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