I'm curious if this is possible using M4L:
I have a long midi sequence (clip) on a track in Live. I would like to create a M4L device on that same track that could scrubs within the midi clip, i.e. move the playhead around among different points randomly (or according to whatever probability I set within the M4L device) and play for different durations before moving again (again according to probability).
Ideally I'd like to be able to do this with whatever midi clip is currently playing on that track, so that I could use multiple tracks and have the device operate on whichever is playing.
If there is a much easier way to do this within Max itself (i.e. loading the sequences in max and scrubbing them there, then just sending midi data to Live), then I'll do it that way, since I often run the programs together. But I don't immediately see how to start midi sequences in Max from anywhere other than the beginning. (I must be missing something there since it has to be possible, no?)
I have some experience with Max patching (though not much with midi sequencing) but to know if this is possible and how to do it, I need help from someone more experienced with using M4L devices to get under the hood of Ableton's controls, and I am in the dark on that. If anyone can point me in the right direction I'd be very grateful. Thanks!
michael.d.
device to scrub midi clip playhead position randomly?
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michael.d.
- Posts: 7
- Joined: Fri Aug 21, 2009 5:24 am
Re: device to scrub midi clip playhead position randomly?
Yes, It's actually possible using the API.
Maybe you should put an eye on the Live Object Model
By the way, I've done yesterday (not exactly finished...) a patch doing exactly what you're looking for
In case, I paste the code, if you want to get a look at it or use it, or do whatever you want with it....
<pre><code>
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-----------end_max5_patcher-----------
</code></pre>
Maybe you should put an eye on the Live Object Model
By the way, I've done yesterday (not exactly finished...) a patch doing exactly what you're looking for
In case, I paste the code, if you want to get a look at it or use it, or do whatever you want with it....
<pre><code>
----------begin_max5_patcher----------
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-----------end_max5_patcher-----------
</code></pre>
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michael.d.
- Posts: 7
- Joined: Fri Aug 21, 2009 5:24 am
Re: device to scrub midi clip playhead position randomly?
Thanks!! Yes, I need to learn more about the Live Object Model to do this right. But your patch is a great start - thanks for sharing that, it looks great and I'll try to figure it out. It looks like maybe there is a "GestionDuTiming" abstraction missing (?), but I'll see what I can do with it.
md
md
Re: device to scrub midi clip playhead position randomly?
Oops...
I thought it (the abstraction) would be automatically associated...
In fact, it's just a metro-transport combination in order to drive the thing
Here it is...
<pre><code>
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-----------end_max5_patcher-----------
</code></pre>
When you'll work the LOM, you'll see that this patch works as well with audio clips
Bye
I thought it (the abstraction) would be automatically associated...
In fact, it's just a metro-transport combination in order to drive the thing
Here it is...
<pre><code>
----------begin_max5_patcher----------
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-----------end_max5_patcher-----------
</code></pre>
When you'll work the LOM, you'll see that this patch works as well with audio clips
Bye
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