A good dubby delay recommendations

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Re: A good dubby delay recommendations

Post by Lux Libra » Wed Aug 04, 2010 1:01 pm

leedsquietman wrote:Plenty of good recommendations here. Echo Boy is great, but almost as expensive as the UAD-2 plus RE201 !

If you got the budget, go large but some of this cheaper and freeware/shareware works really well too.
Echoboy is $179 (native)


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Re: A good dubby delay recommendations

Post by nylarch » Wed Aug 04, 2010 1:22 pm

For any of you Reaktor owners there's a good Roland Space Echo in the user library.

There's also some nice dub presets in the factory library Echomania ensemble.
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Re: A good dubby delay recommendations

Post by tw1nstates » Wed Aug 04, 2010 3:30 pm

Echo boy is excellent.

i use it much much more than my space echo on UAD2....
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Re: A good dubby delay recommendations

Post by tw1nstates » Wed Aug 04, 2010 3:41 pm

but,

you can do some killer stuff with simple delay and an eq boost. pLus whatever other plugs you wish to throw afterwards.]Actually I am beginning to realise that live has got so much more to offer than one first thinks. If you delve deep and get your hands dirty.

If you want to just rock on straight away then get on Echoboy. Personally i'd watch some live tutorials first as it's ridiculous what you can do in ableton.

Anyway, what is vintage gear except eq-ing, distortion and time domain stuff. You cold easily make your own emus given enough of an understanding of what the fx is doing to the sound...
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Re: A good dubby delay recommendations

Post by rekloos » Wed Aug 04, 2010 4:09 pm

i have audiodamage dubstation and it's not all that, a bit flaky on my mbp, and i think plugs from audiodamage sound too 'sharp' [??] for my taste.

on the freebies, you can't go wrong with the 'king dubby' and for a few bucks i would
get the gsi tape echo which sounds pretty damn good.

my fave so far it's been the tape echo from guitar rig......
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Re: A good dubby delay recommendations

Post by glitchrock-buddha » Wed Aug 04, 2010 4:38 pm

These days I just set up my own in Kore as a send effect. The reason for this is the dedicated controller is great for send effects to tweak parameters. Since you can route anything to anything, you can just use the simple included effects to make your own delay and route the filter in the delay feedback etc., which is crucial of a dubby delay. But of course the same can be done with just live effects on a return track feeding back to itself. My favorite is Delay -> Bandpass filter -> compression ->limiter

Hadn't noticed the "Analog Delay' before, thanks for that. I wonder if that filter is within the feedback loop or not. Will find out tonight.

Too bad teh GSI-201 can't be tempo synced, it's a beauty. And much much more cpu efficient than the Reaktor version.
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Re: A good dubby delay recommendations

Post by leedsquietman » Thu Aug 05, 2010 12:52 am

I was thinking of Soundtoys Collection as being expensive, so thanks for the price update. I was thinking of the Protools TDM version which is the only version I've used, the Native version is not priced so badly ($500 for the whole shebang, as opposed to $1200 for the TDM version).

For a long time, Echoboy was Protools only, then Logic AU and now finally VST versions are available. Shame about the i-lok, but quality nonetheless.
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Re: A good dubby delay recommendations

Post by leedsquietman » Thu Aug 05, 2010 1:00 am

Audio Damage's Fluid plugin is second only to UAD's Dimension D as a chorus effect IMHO.
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Re: A good dubby delay recommendations

Post by muthafunka » Thu Aug 05, 2010 1:51 pm

Fabfilter Timeless/2, yowza!

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Re: A good dubby delay recommendations

Post by JuanSOLO » Thu Aug 05, 2010 5:03 pm

My favorite Dubby Delay is using Ableton's simple delay, followed by an AutoFilter. Set the AutoFilter to Random Square and add amount to your liking. High Pass, Low Pass and BP all sound pretty good. You can always add Erosion, Tube Drive or Shapers to get some grit.

To me that gets a pretty wicked Tubby Style Delay, but still unique to Ableton.

I could not imagine spending ANY money on just a delay plug when you could spend money on Reaktor and get thousands of FX in the UL. The Space Echo in Reaktor is Top Notch, Along with the Leslie Emulator, Synths, Drum stuff, Filters etc etc...

With Ableton you can make some killer Delay FX Racks and morph delays with a smart knob sort of set up, mapped to the chain and whatever parameters you desire. For me this is the best option, because it comes with Ableton (FREE, or money already spent), "Usually" CPU friendly opposed to plugs, and very versatile.

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Re: A good dubby delay recommendations

Post by slirak » Thu Aug 05, 2010 9:48 pm

Like people say, Tal-Dub and King Dubby. GSI has a freebie too, the WatKat. I like it a lot. Very few controls which is a good thing if you want to sound genuine IMO. They didn't have tempo synced echoes in Kingston back in the days you know.

But if you're going for old school dub, you'll also need a spring reverb, a dirty one. I use a guitar amp sim, Amplitube 3, it has some great spring reverb models and combined with the amp sim you can get really mean and dirty. Too expensive and too CPU intensive if you only want it for dub purposes though. Don't know if there are any reasonably cheap and reasonably dirty dedicated spring reverb plugs out there? The spring presets in dedicated reverb plugs are usually way too clean.

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Re: A good dubby delay recommendations

Post by chilleddreams » Thu Aug 05, 2010 10:54 pm

GSI-201 is nice. Compared to UADs Space Echo it sounds more filtered or dampened. Sometimes this is exactly the sound which is needed for dub echoes. Somtimes it's not clear enough.

I prefer UADs Space Echo. It's better to control because of a clearer sound. So it's easier to get long echoes driving softly into smooth distortion. And get back out of distortion without loosing the echo signal.

FabFilter's Timless 2 is also very good. Many modulation features and stuff. And it has many presets which are usefull out of the box.
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Re: A good dubby delay recommendations

Post by oblique strategies » Fri Aug 06, 2010 12:57 am

slirak wrote:Don't know if there are any reasonably cheap and reasonably dirty dedicated spring reverb plugs out there? The spring presets in dedicated reverb plugs are usually way too clean.
I like this one: GSI Spring Reverb Type4
http://www.genuinesoundware.com/?a=showproduct&b=28
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It even has the ability to be virtually hit, causing massive thunderclaps, just like a hardware spring reverb! Inexpensive to begin with, but on sale during August.

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Re: A good dubby delay recommendations

Post by slirak » Fri Aug 06, 2010 10:53 am

oblique strategies wrote:
slirak wrote:Don't know if there are any reasonably cheap and reasonably dirty dedicated spring reverb plugs out there? The spring presets in dedicated reverb plugs are usually way too clean.
I like this one: GSI Spring Reverb Type4
http://www.genuinesoundware.com/?a=showproduct&b=28
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It even has the ability to be virtually hit, causing massive thunderclaps, just like a hardware spring reverb! Inexpensive to begin with, but on sale during August.
Cool! Just played with it for half an hour, I'm buying it.
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