The Pioneer EFX Delay/ Freq Kill effect- How?

[bammer]

Hey guys,

I was just wondering if it is possible in Live to create an effect similar to the Pioneer EFX-500/1000 , where one can apply a delay/echo to just a certain Frequency.

Basically I guess we'll have to sidechain delay and EQ3. That way I could kill any freq I'd like. The thing is, so far I have only managed to do this in a way that when I apply the effect, I cut the freq of the whole track. What I want is for the track to continue playing without any modification and the effect to be added and only applied to that frequency, just like in the pioneer efx.

Apologies if this sounds confusing. Hard to explain but easy if you know how the EFX works.

Thanks,
Bammer

[S4racen]

Have a look for quantizecourses.com and their splitting frequencies tutorial....

I do this with sends which don't add to the signal which takes a bit of effort but if you wanted to add to the original signal then you could easily do this instead....

The trick is to use the multiband dynamics plug in....

Cheers
D

[MPGK]

Use an Audio Effects Rack, either with filter EQs or a Multiband Compressor with Solo'ed frequency bands on every chain.

[bammer]

Thanks guys. I guess I'll have to figure out how to use sends since I don't want to affect the original track... I just want to play around with the effect on a separate channel or something like that. I saw the quantizecourses.com video, and while informative, it wasn't really what I am looking for.

[MPGK]

Um yeah... read the manual if you don't know how to use Send and Return tracks, I guess...
It's not that big a deal. My way to do this would actually be, as S4racen suggested, to use Multiband Compressor. Put that on Return track A and solo out the Frequency band you want to play around with, turn up the Send A on your audio track and do whatever you want with those frequencies.

Or you could just use Filter Delay on your track?

[bammer]

Um yeah... read the manual if you don't know how to use Send and Return tracks, I guess...
It's not that big a deal. My way to do this would actually be, as S4racen suggested, to use Multiband Compressor. Put that on Return track A and solo out the Frequency band you want to play around with, turn up the Send A on your audio track and do whatever you want with those frequencies.

Or you could just use Filter Delay on your track?

It was easy to get the hang of send/returns, took all of a couple of minutes

I got it to work how I wanted. Strangely, I didn't have to group the effects. I just placed EQ3 and simple delay side to side, EQ3 first. Delay all the way to wet. If I kill all 3 EQs, I won't hear any delay. If I choose just the medium frequency, it will only apply a delay to that frequency, and bringing the return knob I get more effect to the original track, which remains untouched. Exactly what I was looking for, just like the EFX!

Thanks for your help guys!

[MPGK]

Keep in mind EQ3 tends to color the sound. If that's what you want though, it's all good.

[oddstep]

A couple of people have suggested using the multi compressor as a frequency kill. Is this better than using a eq 8 or filter with no resonance?

[bammer]

Keep in mind EQ3 tends to color the sound. If that's what you want though, it's all good.

Should I use EQ8 instead? Or are filters really the best options in your opinion?

I am happy with the effect, but I don't mind creating a better one!

[MPGK]

Keep in mind EQ3 tends to color the sound. If that's what you want though, it's all good.

Should I use EQ8 instead? Or are filters really the best options in your opinion?

I am happy with the effect, but I don't mind creating a better one!

If it works for you, stay with it. Soloing out frequencies with Multiband Dynamics will likely give you a less colored sound though.

[Dr. Fluffenstein]

I found that all three devices give colored sound. Found a rack somewhere on this forum that used phase cancellation and EQ8's to achieve transparent splitting, but Live wouldn't recognize the file for some reason (on that note, can anyone who has a working version please upload?).

[docprosper]

I found that all three devices give colored sound. Found a rack somewhere on this forum that used phase cancellation and EQ8's to achieve transparent splitting, but Live wouldn't recognize the file for some reason (on that note, can anyone who has a working version please upload?).

My good doctor,
Did you sort this one out? I'm trying to do the same thing, not so much because of coloration as because I want to use multiple EQ faders in series to fade first between effect/clean chains and then between tracks. It's for a DJ mixer I've been working up in M4L. What I've found is that sound is bleeding over, ie if I stack two EQ3s in series and kill all but low on one and all but mid on the next I still get some audio through. With this multi-band crossfader I'm working on this bleed through is unacceptable. I'm looking for an alternative that might use subtractive synthesis / phase cancellation to effectively negate this issue. I've been looking for an old thread on making 3-band EQs with kill switches with EQ8's but can't seem to find it, perhaps it was a dream.
-Hamish

[docprosper]

found the other thread you were talking about...
http://forum.ableton.com/viewtopic.php? ... it=EQ3+EQ8
still curious to know if you've had any luck with this.
-h