Not to normalize when consolidating ?

[Ned]

is there way to set ableton so as that it wont normalize when consolidating. I would prefer it not too

Thanks

[Ableton_David]

When exporting audio and video from a set, there's a button to toggle normalizing.

[Ned]

I see that but its when I right click and consolidate is what I am talking about. Is there any why round that? Would have thought there would be in the options

[sohcahtoa]

I was trying to find a way around this recently and could not. Page 515 of the manual suggests there is no way around this.

Consolidating clips in the Arrangement View creates new audio files, which are non-neutral
in comparison to the original audio data. Specifically, the new files will be normalized, with
their clip volumes adjusted to play back at the same volume as heard prior to consolidation.

[Amaury]

Hi,

There are a few reasons for normalizing, one being that it let's you adjust the gain of the clip later while retaining more quality in the sound. What's annoying you about the normalization?

Regards,
Amaury

[Ned]

its fine if your just working in ableton, but was just thinking that if I wanted to use the files in a different application in the future all the levels wont correspond to the way they were recorded. for Example, If I was to edit a file in an Audio Editor I would like to be hearing the file at the level it was recorded instead of it being very loud

It be nice to have an option for that in the preferences

[3phase]

are they doing the normalisation to avoid overloads?

probably.. because the other way around it dont makes much sense..why givig up bit transparency when there is nothing to gain with that... overload protection is a likely reason.

How is it when you render down as 32 bit files? When its well programmed there shouldnt be any normalisation than.
At least under the preassumption that they gave up on bittransparent consolidation only to avoid overloads.

[milosh]

Hi,

There are a few reasons for normalizing, one being that it let's you adjust the gain of the clip later while retaining more quality in the sound. What's annoying you about the normalization?

Regards,
Amaury

There is no problem when you stay entirely in ableton with your project.
One time I had to give the tracks to mixing engineer and just consolidated the clips.
He asked: "where is my headroom?"
So the best way in that case is to export audio instead of consolidate I suppose.

cheers

[Amaury]

There is no problem when you stay entirely in ableton with your project.
One time I had to give the tracks to mixing engineer and just consolidated the clips.
He asked: "where is my headroom?"
So the best way in that case is to export audio instead of consolidate I suppose.

cheers

Hi,

Indeed, the preferred way for that is to "select all" in the Arrangement view, then go to Export Audio/Video, and select "All Tracks" in the top chooser.

Kind regards,
Amaury

[milosh]

There is no problem when you stay entirely in ableton with your project.
One time I had to give the tracks to mixing engineer and just consolidated the clips.
He asked: "where is my headroom?"
So the best way in that case is to export audio instead of consolidate I suppose.

cheers

Hi,

Indeed, the preferred way for that is to "select all" in the Arrangement view, then go to Export Audio/Video, and select "All Tracks" in the top chooser.

Kind regards,
Amaury

Just remember to reset all the faders to 0 and disable all plugins, effect racks and automation before you do export.
(unless you want to print post FX/automation tracks/stems)

cheers

[3phase]

Just remember to reset all the faders to 0 and disable all plugins, effect racks and automation before you do export.
(unless you want to print post FX/automation tracks/stems)

cheers

i would say that this is another example wher more user prefferences would be beneficial.. maybe an extra page of preffs only adult checked users can access with a special key code?

while the normalisation defenetly makes sense to avoid overloads that easily happen in a program like live that dont has a fixed gain structure it is hramfull for people that work in professional enviroments and maybe actually have to hold certain headroom standards.

When Ableton is after new markets they maybe should consider the postproduction market.

A user preff setting that disables that normalizing routine wouldnt be bad for that.

or different file formats for recording and internal consolidation..
consolidation in 32 bit float makes much sense..
recording in 32 bit float none at all



And when we consolidate in 32 bit i dont see why changing the levels would change the quality or any risk of overloads...

so my suggestions to disable the normalisation in case of 32 bit float files would be a solution without extra
pref setting that would be just logical and keeping the highest quality possible by not introducing unnecessary level operations.

[locojohn]

When Ableton is after new markets they maybe should consider the postproduction market.

A user preff setting that disables that normalizing routine wouldnt be bad for that.

+1.

For example: I recorded different piano parts, then consolidated them into a single sample. Then I recorded some more and merged them with the previous consolidated sample by utilising consolidation again. This operation increases noise floor, right, the more I do this -- the less headroom? Suggestion as preferable way to export as audio files and load them back into project is very time consuming and unacceptable for big projects.

Please kindly provide this feature in the next Live version.

Andrejs

[icedsushi]

I'd like to see this option as well, hopefully in Live 9. Still being able to use the consolidate command without normalizing would be so much quicker than having to render, disable plugins, etc.