The Maschine & Ableton Love Thread ;) [upon user request]

[T.I.M.]

You can change mpc program banks realtime, while the

sequencer is playing.

how do you manage that? do you use banks with common parts, that are played identical in the 2 banks for smooth transition? or is it possible to load just one of the 4 pad banks at a time??

Indeed I'm more and more tempted by the mpc1000+JJOS2...

seems a great alternative for what I need, because it's also really good to sequence hardware synths...


thanks a lot

cheers

There's a few different ways. You could either have a bank with common parts.(notes?) Or you could

just have another sequence using another bank or program. All of them with different tempos. Turning

the knob to change banks or programs doesnt effect the sequencer.

[arctic ranger]

You can change mpc program banks realtime, while the

sequencer is playing.

how do you manage that? do you use banks with common parts, that are played identical in the 2 banks for smooth transition? or is it possible to load just one of the 4 pad banks at a time??

Indeed I'm more and more tempted by the mpc1000+JJOS2...

seems a great alternative for what I need, because it's also really good to sequence hardware synths...


thanks a lot

cheers

yes there are programs that you make up. they consist of samples (that you assign to the pads) and sequences that will change programs at will (with sequences).

so far, for me personally, the best kit to sequence hardware synths is the mpc2000. it does not do bank change, but it does program change very well.

i used to do live sets with an mpc2000, esi23 and an orbit with various effects

am working on a live set that will consist of mpc2000, mpc1000, esi32 and maschine on lappy

[supamonsta]

Turning the knob to change banks or programs doesnt effect the sequencer.

so I understand that you can either load/change BANKS (16pad grid, A, B, C or D), or PROGRAMS (all 4 pad banks), on-the fly, and even program these within the sequences?

yes there are programs that you make up. they consist of samples (that you assign to the pads) and sequences that will change programs at will (with sequences).

I got that, "programs" are the whole 4 pad banks with their sample assignations.

Thing I still don't really get, is how you can load one different program (4 banks) while sequencer running and using samples in the program that will be switched for the new without encountering any hiccup or sound cut....

If you can load individual BANKS, I do understand it easier, but I didn't see that in the manual?? (load menu : load song, program, sample, file, folder, sequence... but no "load pad bank"...)


I'm just guessing:

If one can load individual pad BANKS (not programs) on the fly, even with program changes triggered by the sequences, that mean one could have, say, 1 switching bank for each song, and the 3 other banks filled with one shots free to be used live during the show...

I begin to understand a little better the mpc architecture, but it's really difficult, as no one owns one around me...

and I read the manual, but either it is lacking info, either I have to re-read it carefully...


And,

1) sorry to hijack the maschine-Love thread (ah ah, I'm selling maschine)
2) thanks for your patience and answers

cheers

[arctic ranger]

^^^
first you loads the samples into memory. then you make the programs...basically like presets. so when you are sequencing and change programs
you are not loading any new samples just using the ones in memory.

i think this is what you might be getting at?

[supamonsta]

Thanks arctic ranger, yes it's what I'm getting at,

I understand one can change programs on the fly, if the samples are already ram-loaded.

What I don't understand is HOW this can be done, since my understanding of the term "program" for the mpc, is that a "program" is a group of 4 16-pads banks. In the manual, in the load menu, there is no "bank load", seems that one can only load whole programs,
and then,
my interrogation is about how handling programs to be able to play long live set of uninterrupted audio, loading program after program while I progress in the sequences (16*6 sequences is enough for me to play around 16 live songs with transitions and improvisations for a 1h30 - 2h00 live set)...?

say "song 1" uses sequences 1-6 and pad bank A of program 1, song 2 seq7-12 padbankB program 1, song 3... song4...

the transitions from song 1 to 2 to 3 to 4 are easy, all samples used being assigned to the 4 pad banks. But when I play song 4 (seq20-26, padbank D of program 1), I want to prepare to play song 5 (seq27-33, padbank A of program 2),

how do I load bankA-program 2 while still using samples from bankD-program1 (song 4)???

here is my real dilemma.

if the mpc 1000 allowed, like maschine, to load only "groups" (padbanks), I would get it.

but seems the mcp only allows to load PROGRAMS, that are 4 padbanks groups...


weirdo

Thanks again

[glitchrock-buddha]

I can only use Maschine pads in realtime at the very start of my projects. Once I start introducing other VST/AU's, I have to step record everything because of the way Live handles latency and recording. Logic on the other hand let me bang on it throughout the length of a project, and handles the latency beautifully.

I haven't noticed a problem in this regard. But maybe my sets don't get as big. But it shouldn't matter anyways, since the overall latency should only be as bad as the worst track right? So as long as you avoid using effects with a lot of latency you should be alright. I just make sure I only use effects that would be usable on a track in real time.

[humnumb]

Indeed I'm more and more tempted by the mpc1000+JJOS2...

seems a great alternative for what I need, because it's also really good to sequence hardware synths...

Seems like you're also more into tweaking new setups with your latest gear acquisition instead of actually making music. So you should probably get it and spare us the investigation/hijacking and come back when you've sold it and bought another Maschine which you inevitably will.

It seems rather a shame though when you've gone through the trouble of assembling a setup that makes you happy with some of the best tools around and then to go fishing for a RS7000 or a MPC as replacement which I see as a downgrade. I've been down that road myself and I would never go back to Yamaha sequencers or MPC1k JJ OS2. But for simpler 4 on the floor styles of music, it may work. good luck.

[The Carpet Cleaner]

lol that's probably stupid but I think for live performance, the APC40 is far better.

[supamonsta]

Seems like you're also more into tweaking new setups with your latest gear acquisition instead of actually making music. So you should probably get it and spare us the investigation/hijacking and come back when you've sold it and bought another Maschine which you inevitably will.

It seems rather a shame though when you've gone through the trouble of assembling a setup that makes you happy with some of the best tools around and then to go fishing for a RS7000 or a MPC as replacement which I see as a downgrade. I've been down that road myself and I would never go back to Yamaha sequencers or MPC1k JJ OS2. But for simpler 4 on the floor styles of music, it may work. good luck.

you're absolutely right mate, 2010 is for me the year of only tweaking and switching setup gear, buying and selling stuff...
I'm a gearslut with (presently) no musical mojo...

I should have PMed artic ranger for the mpc questions, or at least turn it into something more like mpc VS maschine posts.

Sorry for the hijack

and BTW thanks for the link to my last maschine+live setup, I quite had forgotten that I had found a working one after all these trials & limitations workarounds...

this setup works, but still has the maschine and ableton midi limitations... (live: does not receive multichannel midi from plugs, maschine : no midi event editor -I need PCs and CCs at least)


IF I sell maschine, and one day NI implements a real complete midi sequencer in Maschine, I'll surely end buying it again...

But I guess MIDI is not their priority (they said PCs and CCs were planned but not for the next update), so I can't help searching for other stuff...


Today, about maschine, what I can say really positive is that the hardware controller and its responsiveness via the software is incredibly pleasant, reliable and terribly quick-workflowesque, and I can't help from dreaming about something like a MIDI Maschine from NI that would easily win the competition with any existing MPC / MV / RS hardware sequencer...


Cheeers


Edit :

lol that's probably stupid but I think for live performance, the APC40 is far better.

I agree, Maschine is presently NOT a standalone live tool. For this task live+APC40, or hardware seqs like RS7K or MPC1K are far better!

[humnumb]

I agree, Maschine is presently NOT a standalone live tool. For this task live+APC40, or hardware seqs like RS7K or MPC1K are far better!

Well, that depends on individual needs. Maschine is a standalone live tool that is far better than anything else if you're doing something like this:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZqUb3-tRs_A
which is more LIVE than a lot of other "live" rigs out there.

But if you want to sequence multiple external hardware gear, then a MPC would be better until Maschine gets a few more updates.

[T.I.M.]

Indeed I'm more and more tempted by the mpc1000+JJOS2...

seems a great alternative for what I need, because it's also really good to sequence hardware synths...

Seems like you're also more into tweaking new setups with your latest gear acquisition instead of actually making music. So you should probably get it and spare us the investigation/hijacking and come back when you've sold it and bought another Maschine which you inevitably will.

It seems rather a shame though when you've gone through the trouble of assembling a setup that makes you happy with some of the best tools around and then to go fishing for a RS7000 or a MPC as replacement which I see as a downgrade. I've been down that road myself and I would never go back to Yamaha sequencers or MPC1k JJ OS2. But for simpler 4 on the floor styles of music, it may work. good luck.

Its always good to get the cons and pros of something. Besides aren't you being a bit condescending.

[supamonsta]

I don't know if he's being condescending, but he's right !

I just understood better the mpc architecture ( 64 midi tracks, 1 program / 4*16 pads per track, only limitation is 128Mb ram...
and JJOS2 I think, lets you play 2 sequences simult, which can help to workaround the linear sequence mentality... combined with a deep midi sequencer...

well that maybe gearlust, but I'm definitely attracted by the mpc1000 JJOS.

But if you want to sequence multiple external hardware gear, then a MPC would be better until Maschine gets a few more updates.

exactly

[delicioso]

Maschine is a standalone live tool that is far better than anything else if you're doing something like this:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZqUb3-tRs_A
which is more LIVE than a lot of other "live" rigs out there.

Definitely agree. Here's another approach to performing live with Maschine in a hardware context:
Mount Kimbie at Decibel Festival with Maschine standalone, KP3, and SP404:
http://vimeo.com/15513255

[starving student]

you can't go wrong with either the mpc or maschine, and they are different enough beast that having both wouldn't be overlap either, , alot of folks don't really know what an mpc can do out side of the videos they see of folks hitting the pads to trigger samples but as old as the akai paradigm is the mpc can still do things that maschine cannot as of yet and some other things that maschine can do but not as easily for instance if you're really into layering samples maschine will get on your nerves, but it's a good thing on the mpc.......
anyway I really think you should keep maschine, maschine is a sound design power house, if you're only djing other peoples music then whatever but if you're writing your own tunes getting rid of maschine is a mistake, and I love the mpcs but imho you really might want to think of the mpc as the thing you use to get away from the computer, because it's not the greatest controller for software, while maschine is a great controller for anything

[supamonsta]

anyway I really think you should keep maschine, maschine is a sound design power house, if you're only djing other peoples music then whatever but if you're writing your own tunes getting rid of maschine is a mistake

thanks for this advice, indeed I'd like to keep Maschine until they update it enough to my needs, but I need the money...

and I love the mpcs but imho you really might want to think of the mpc as the thing you use to get away from the computer, because it's not the greatest controller for software, while maschine is a great controller for anything

I'm into that moment, really wanting to get away from the computer, I'm presently having fun with the RM1X and live as a slave/sampler/FX & audio console, and I really like to compose on the hardware, so the mpc would be THE alternative...

I'm pretty sure I can live without maschine for some moonths/years, waiting for it to be able to do what I need

I don't criticize MAschine, just that I purchased something that don"t fit my actual needs

Thanks again

Long life to NI