Hardware synth for angry bass? :)

[dazzer]

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innocent question + bad tempered thread = angry bass? oh i hope so.

i love teh interwebs

This thread is extremely bad tempered. In fact, I reckon it's the first time I've ever seen dum called a cunt.

And I CAN post in this thread 'cos I once served Goldie a beer, so there ya go.

[Machinesworking]

Youre all totally unqualified to be speaking here, and i think you should admit these facts: You dont make dnb, you dont like dnb, and you dont know what synth is being used on any of the examples you posted, and youre not capable of making dirty angry bass yourelves.

You really are just a little on the silly side aren't you?
Admit it, the tracks I posted have far heavier bass than your track, period, and it's quite obvious that bass is not an FM synth.
Can't do it can you?

[dna598]

Seriously, how on earth can you prove that any of those tracks are or arent fm bass? theyve all been resampled/distorted to hell anyway.
There is no bass synth that gives out that edited filtered chopped up sound with its oscillators alone. It all sounds very digital to me.

PLus that style of music is way more industrial, so the general sound is "heavier". I believe this thread is about (a particular era of) dnb, incase you forgot.

You didnt even make those tunes so you have not a leg to stand on. I asked for a bass that YOU made. You still havent delivered.

But dont worry im not interested anyway. I know you can't do it. Otherwise you would have proved it by now.

I am not interested in debating you, just in helping out the op.

[Machinesworking]

I am not interested in debating you, just in helping out the op.

If you were interested only in helping OP you would state your opinion, then move on.

I give you credit for in a VERY sideways behind the scenes and through the back door admitting that the bass in Broken Note
tracks is heavy and distorted as fuck.
Again, I only met those guys once, so I can't tell you 100% for certain, but I'm 90% certain that's Massive on those tracks.
There's a definite and hard to miss quality to FM synths modeled after the DX7 loosely, there are rare analogue FM synths, but that's not what we're talking about here.
Plenty of cases where you wouldn't be able to tell, but a certain harmonic squeltch is a defining sound. Nothing like that in the Broken Note tracks, it sounds IMO like what it probably is, a modern Wavetable soft synth.

[dna598]

Well thanks for your sideways backdoor "credit".

I did state my opinion, but before I moved on, a bunch of cunts got smart with me.

And please don't tell me what i would or wouldnt have done. That is totally presumptuous, not to mention pretentious (again).

Its great that you know 90% that its massive... wonderful guesswork. But you just did something that I got flamed for... Stating that it is possible to get angry bass without hardware.


I already told the Op what his best bet is for attaining the true sound of that era of dnb in hardware form. EMU6400 Ultra/Samples/distortion.

Have fun with your step sequencers.

[Machinesworking]

Well thanks for your sideways backdoor "credit".

no problem

I did state my opinion, but before I moved on, a bunch of cunts got smart with me.

Read through it, you over reacted when someone pointed out OP asked specifically for hardware suggestions and you went with software.

And please don't tell me what i would or wouldnt have done. That is totally presumptuous, not to mention pretentious (again).

WTF are you talking about? Don't tell me there aren't on virtually ANY synth a shit ton of vanilla patches that could be made by any kind of synth?
Kettle calling the pot black here, you're the one assuming anybody who doesn't post that they love drum and bass or post their own tracks is incapable of talking about heavy distorted bass, which is about as presumptuous as it gets.

Its great that you know 90% that its massive... wonderful guesswork. But you just did something that I got flamed for... Stating that it is possible to get angry bass without hardware.

No, again you got mildly jazzed for being the guy in the thread that suggests software without even qualifying it. What I'm jazzing you about is the fact you suggested an FM synth for this sort of bass, which is IMO silly considering OP has the soft synth most commonly used for this sort of bass sound regardless of genre etc.
Seriously? dude has Massive, it's very arguably the best synth for this sort of thing, and you suggest FM, that's all I'm on about, and read again, I never said it didn't sound cool, just that I prefer Massive for this sound.

I already told the Op what his best bet is for attaining the true sound of that era of dnb in hardware form. EMU6400 Ultra/Samples/distortion.

Just sold one last year. I needed the $, but those filters are something else for sure.

Have fun with your step sequencers.

I will continue to talk about whatever I want to, whenever I want to, regardless of what some DJ who makes commercial pop drum and bass ten years after it was relevant thinks.

[dna598]

Sorry Dude but that Dum cunt jumped on me with some smart shit, and thats what I reacted to. He didnt need to be a cunt but thats just how it happened. Then the forum clique descended on me like a pack of vultures. Mostly people with nothing to show for their big fucking mouths. As is evident by the lack of examples created and posted by these idiots.

The OP thought the tune was pretty dope. It was done with Operator and saturator, resampled, with guitar rig thrown in on the aux.. Hopefully he will now learn it, and not think that gearlust is the way to being a dnb don. I have been there...like i said i was only trying to help before some others made it personal.

Rest assured, I ll think twice before wading in on this hornets nest full of twats.

[dum]

Since you've got such a hard-on for examples, why don't you post a live set with some operator DnB bassline presets in it.

as for my 'smart shit', I simply pointed out he asked for hardware orientated recommendations and your advice was both unrequested and vague enough to apply to virtually any soft-synth. That a 'clique' formed only proves the common consensus... it's certainly not out of some loyalty to one another as you seem hell-bent on believing.

and of course, after it was put to you and you had your fit, you managed to offer the type of advice OP requested re: hardware.


looking forward to the imminent operator examples.
I got a feeling they won't be any more/less suited to DnB than anything else that could be knocked up in the virtual kitchen.

[Machinesworking]

The OP thought the tune was pretty dope. It was done with Operator and saturator, resampled, with guitar rig thrown in on the aux.. Hopefully he will now learn it, and not think that gearlust is the way to being a dnb don.

What I'm jazzing you about is the fact you suggested an FM synth for this sort of bass, which is IMO silly considering OP has the soft synth most commonly used for this sort of bass sound regardless of genre etc.
Seriously? dude has Massive, it's very arguably the best synth for this sort of thing,

Guitar Rig and Operator are not what OP mentioned having, you gear lust provoking person!

[Robmobius]

Again, I appreciate all the comments... Although probably better to leave out personal insults on all sides.

The hard verses soft synth is always a thorny issue - I've seen it come up over and over on various forums . Don't get me wrong I like my soft synths. But they definitely have a different tone to the old analog synth gear. Now, I'm not saying that's a bad thing. But I'm a stoic git and I really like the distorted (but warm) sounds of DnB back in the day. I remember seeing an interview with one of the main men of the scene recently, and he was saying that he felt that modern DnB now sounds very "digital" and lacks that beautiful old warm sound.

Massive and Predator lovely synths and can capture a huge amount of quality bass tones - I've made some cool patches . However, to my personal taste I tend to prefer the sound of hardware. Especially something like the Virus or some of the old Roland gear.

Have a listen to the Doepfer Dark Energy sounds so warm.

I also, forgot to mention I love the whole tactile thing about hardware - so cool for fast tweaking on the fly.

[Machinesworking]

Robmobius, seriously the Dark Energy or the SEM, great choices considering what you just posted.

Personally I will sometimes layer synths. I think there is something to the rounder, less aliased, and less stable sound of analogue gear. Throw the tactile part in there and you're golden. Also, as a side note, considering how many producers of drum and bass, electronic music in general rely heavily on soft synths, somebody who uses an analogue synth with a tube distortion box to get his ugly bass is going to stand out in a good way.
(provided the songs are there of course! )

I've seen these pop up on ebay for $60!


The Rat is another solid state choice for brutal distortion, great stuff.

[H20nly]

which do you use for sad bass?

[Robmobius]

[quote="Machinesworking"]

Nice... I'm into my stomp boxes too, you can beat the 'auld analog distortion.

The Rat and Big Muff are class. I recently picked up a "Scott Ian Black 13" (little bit contemporary but still cool). I also have a "land mine" distortion pedal and it's so damn nasty.