Fix the sync issues now !! yes or no ?

[Joshua Lee]

Why do the same handful of fanboys incessantly troll any dis-satisfied customers with all the gusto of a fundamentalist christian denouncing evolution ?

Yes, I do not understand this, either...

If you are unaffected or indifferent about this subject, please vote as such in the poll and move on, and quit being an obstacle to those of us who are trying to have a serious discussion about the problematic sync issue. If you have constructive arguments, either for or against Ableton fixing the sync immediately, then by all means share your thoughts on the matter, but please understand that I DO NOT CARE about these past issues between 3Phase and support. This poll is about more than just him, as the 170 responses so far will attest. I care about getting sync working. If you want to start an "I hate 3Phase" thread, please do so in the lounge. Personally, I think that people who hijack serious threads with the kind of gossip that usually only appeals to teenage girls should be banned, not those who discuss their serious issues at length, regardless of whether they paint Ableton in a positive or negative light.

And, just for the record, I would like to thank Nico, or any other Ableton employee who is working to fix this problem, or hell even any Ableton employee who even ACKNOWLEDGES that there is actually a problem. I use this program every day, so I definitely appreciate the hard work that has gone into it. Up until Live 8 (and the company growth that came before it....), I never had an issue with Live and in fact I would say that I was a fanboy shouting the merits of the program from the rooftops. However, when eventually the milk turned out to be sour, I'm not the type of pussy to keep on drinking it, if you know what I mean. Devotion to a company is much different than blind devotion to a company...

[Tone Deft]

^ hypocrite. nothing you've posted in this thread would help Ableton solve the sync issue. you mostly write of the teenage gossip you rail against and you should ban yourself. (banning? seriously? you're very dramatical.) nobody cares what you think of Ableton's business model or your personal history with the product. pretty much every post you've written in this thread talks about 3phase.

how are you using sync? what are your observations? what's your setup? try staying on topic without the personal attacks.

same with you dum. give Ableton data.

[zee verkawound]

I am not putting ableton in a bad light.. i only put some light in the dark corners..

Wisdom/Owned

3phase, you rule!

Wisdon is to intelligence what talent is to musicians.

[Tone Deft]

that does nothing to further the bug fix.

less drama, more facts.

[Joshua Lee]

^ hypocrite. nothing you've posted in this thread would help Ableton solve the sync issue. you mostly write of the teenage gossip you rail against and you should ban yourself. (banning? seriously? you're very dramatical.) nobody cares what you think of Ableton's business model or your personal history with the product. pretty much every post you've written in this thread talks about 3phase.

how are you using sync? what are your observations? what's your setup? try staying on topic without the personal attacks.

same with you dum. give Ableton data.

You are the biggest moron on this entire forum, which is saying quite a bit, trust me... Believe me when I say nobody cares what you think, despite the fact that your impotence, or whatever affliction you have that prevents you from having a normal life, drives you to make 200,000 posts. Get a life, or get paid by Ableton, because right now you have neither. I'm actually pretty sure that the Ableton guys probably make fun of you for being such a brown-noser who doesn't get paid by them.

And who can blame them, really? You start this message by calling me a hypocrite, and then advise me to "try staying on topic without the personal attacks", as you launch a personal attack against me. So who is really the hypocrite here? And how do you expect anybody to take you seriously when you so clearly contradict yourself like that. Not that it matters because nobody would ever take you seriously, anyway, I suppose...

As far as how I am using sync, clearly I am not using it at all because it doesn't work for me (or apparently about 3/4 of the other people out there...), try to keep up here, ok? If you had read my previous posts in this thread you would know that, instead of being so annoyingly redundant. But you did not bother to read them, because you are a useless troll. In fact, since trolls live under bridges, I wonder if you don't live underneath the Golden Gate bridge. Just you, your copy of Ableton, your MPC, and a buttplug to keep you company.

Anyway, I am starting to feel bad for being mean to you, because it is not nice to pick on the handicapped. So I do apologize for whatever head trauma was inflicted upon you as a small child that makes you behave in such a bizarre manner, and going forward I will only continue this conversation with those who seem to have all of their mental faculties, and will leave you to jerk off to how Gerhard looked in that ascot on the Max4Live video, or whatever it is that you do to entertain yourself, other than harass people on this forum.

[Tone Deft]

don't even know where to begin. calm down. your post speaks volumes about you, none of it is good.

Ableton can't fix it if they don't know how it's broken.

I think this can be looked at in three different ways, at least.

Master mode - Nico stated that this works better than other DAWs. 3phase didn't address this yesterday, he just addressed Slave mode. 3phase- thoughts on Master mode being as bad or worse or better than Slave mode?

Slave mode - Nico stated that this mode is weak, there are ways they can fix it but at a performance cost.

the clock modes, which work, which don't?

Nico also mentioned CPU %, is it broken at low and high CPU or even at low CPU?

then there's the hardware people are using, the 3rd party software, ASIO drivers etc.

and maybe, just maybe someone is experiencing fail and they don't have it setup correctly. post your specs maybe there's something to be learned. it's really easy to overlook the little triangles that open up the clock options in the preferences.

you know Ableton have to have a room of test gear, common synths and sequencers that they test their shit on. not to mention copies of other DAWS, test Macs/PCs and various sound cards to try their product on.

well, the haters would say they don't test at all, they leave that to users. if users won't give feedback that won't work either. I guess sync will stay broken, for you. neener neener.

[dum]

78%

[Tone Deft]

why can't you help?

[dum]

Tone, are you still breathing ?
I'm surprised you didn't choke on the word 'hypocrite'

Sorry bud, but you don't get to direct the thread every time you're called out for trolling.
It's too repetitive. Every critical - even quasicritical - thread it plays out the exact same way. You troll and troll and troll, and do your level best to totally derail & undermine the thread and antagonise those with the bona fide grievance, and then eventually do a complete 180 and start instructing folks on how to report bugs blah blah blah usually when someone makes a damning enough summary of your behaviour or if an ableton rep joins.

David has called posters out for thread derailing here in the main board, and I hope he sticks to that philosophy.

[Tone Deft]

still no help whatsoever. just personal attacks.

[dum]

Not an attack, just highlighting the cyclical nature of your participation in these threads. It plays out identically each and every time.

I'm making that observation for two reasons
1: so that other users who are not familiar with this cycle may now be wary to it
2: so that you understand why I'm completely ignoring your requests for data now that you've decided to treat the complaint seriously and with respect.



that you think I haven't supplied bug reports and subsequently supplied any data requested of me regarding this issue throughout the years speaks volumes of your lack of comprehension. as the man might say.

Just stick to trolling. No one takes you seriously, and as long as you stick to your antagonise-derail-advise routine I will continue to totally ignore you when you get to the 'advise' stage.

[3phase]

what help? the developers can find some deas in here and are able to find own solutions.
It´s just the question for which goal they are aiming for and wteher the management gives them enough time to do something propperly.

As said before.. The goal should be a production quality sync that allows the slave to run original song speed as long this is possible to allow the same performance as in dj sync..

So somekind of automated dj sync..

that would be something new ..and holds potential for future needs of syncing..


beside that optimastions in all syncszenarios ..eliminating mentioned bugs or inferior performance..

so..

what might be help if others know about syncissues that got in theiere way.. and mention them here..

we covred allready that many dont like to live with fluctuation tempos of the salve instance..

and there are enough arguments why one dont likes that..

that some can ignore that is probably rather related to "dont knowing it any other way"
or the particular musicstyle and tempo dont suffers fro the fluctuations and samplerate conversion and missing delay compensations..

I think its made clear that the clock slave performance of live dont qualifies anywhere near "good"
and clocksyncing is related to network syncing..at least network syncing is better based on clock or a combination of timecode and clock than timecode alone..

So..

any other syncissues than clock slaving?

I ve send to Nis 5 pages mentoning the problems in any department but i havent pointed out the problems with timecode sync..

execept that ther is no timecode output..

why?

with this at least production quality could be achived.. but its not usable on stage ..except they beef up the clock out with a restart option as mentioned earlier in this thread..

So as said before..the unique mixture of missing features and bad implementation actually build a prohibition to avoid musicans on ableto live to jam together in sync..

even dj sync is flawed as mentioned before.. which is our best option sofar

actually the thread holds enough info to get started..
Just the question how much time the developers get to do fixes.. and ableton never fixed anything complete sofar..or?

more votes in the poll might help. i tink i will start to point the berlin musicans that are not in the forum at this thread..they all want better sync...

[davepermen]

Why do the same handful of fanboys incessantly troll any dis-satisfied customers with all the gusto of a fundamentalist christian denouncing evolution ?

Yes, I do not understand this, either...

because we want to get him to actually fix his problem. wanna help. and not being fanboys. the only fanboys are the haters in here. they don't fix problems, they just bash around.

and customers? no, mainly just 3phase. other customers with problems know how to behave, get help, get satisfied. the only dis-satisfied customers really on this forum are the ones that can't accept help, like 3phase. they offered him more than once to go over and check his setup to debug the bug there where it actually occurs. but he denies. he denies ANY help. on the other hand, he posts bad things about the company that owns this forum, all the time, to newbies, to anyone. he personally attacks workers of the company of this forum, other people, people trying to help him, etc.

if you can't understand this, then i don't know.

[davepermen]

Just the question how much time the developers get to do fixes.. and ableton never fixed anything complete sofar..or?

shows you don't know anything about software development. like a simple thing: there never is perfect software. it's only perfect as long as nothing happens.
they can't say "now we solved the crashing" or "now we fixed sync". they can fix individual bugs, but not even after years of running perfect on ALL clients, one could say "now it's bug free". bugs can always happen.

and yes, they fixed a MASSIVE ammount of issues so far. which is why live is much more stable for much more of their customers, like they said they do. and they fixed those individual bugs completely.

and to your suggestions, i've read most of them. most don't really help developers at all to "fix things". as usual, most is just undetailed wishiwashi. the only thing that really would help is to implement clock synching. that's so far the only point you've made that makes sense. others, you never have proven, or don't make sense to developers.

anyways, i congratulate you to get so far without getting banned on the forum.

[3phase]

Just the question how much time the developers get to do fixes.. and ableton never fixed anything complete sofar..or?

shows you don't know anything about software development. like a simple thing: there never is perfect software. it's only perfect as long as nothing happens.
they can't say "now we solved the crashing" or "now we fixed sync". they can fix individual bugs, but not even after years of running perfect on ALL clients, one could say "now it's bug free". bugs can always happen.

and yes, they fixed a MASSIVE ammount of issues so far. which is why live is much more stable for much more of their customers, like they said they do. and they fixed those individual bugs completely.

and to your suggestions, i've read most of them. most don't really help developers at all to "fix things". as usual, most is just undetailed wishiwashi. the only thing that really would help is to implement clock synching. that's so far the only point you've made that makes sense. others, you never have proven, or don't make sense to developers.

anyways, i congratulate you to get so far without getting banned on the forum.

true ..theese guys usually dont have very much production practize.. but some people at ableton have..
i just wonder how many of them ever did electronic music in bands.. was quite a while out of fashion to do so..
its a 80´s thing ..and a 2010´s thing..

the guys inbetween are either normal bands or solitär computer workers..

however depperman..that it dont makes sense to you ist no surprise at all..

its not about bugs..its about not really understanding the sync demand and how to apply it at abletons side..

As mentioned here in this thread much earlier. to get cuch a bad temporeading on a mac you made something wrong..
They create the jitter themself.. And that is rather sad because it seems so unecessary to deal with such a homemade problem for so many years.

Please Ableton wake up and that the prioritys wright..
and for a change..just do it wright..
no economic compromizes in the sync department..
Same as audio quality this defines production quality and this cant be compromized in a professional production tool.