Solid state drives?

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Re: Solid state drives?

Post by aeon_flux » Sat Oct 09, 2010 11:46 am

best boost you can give to your computer. all that cores, more cpu, ram is nothing while you have still hdd technology from different era. everything waits for i/o from spinning disks. today i would choose 3-4 year laptop with ssd instead 0-day laptop with hdd.

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Re: Solid state drives?

Post by davepermen » Sat Oct 09, 2010 11:54 am

aeon_flux wrote:best boost you can give to your computer. all that cores, more cpu, ram is nothing while you have still hdd technology from different era. everything waits for i/o from spinning disks. today i would choose 3-4 year laptop with ssd instead 0-day laptop with hdd.
exactly what i ment with "worth every penny". even really old crap pc's suddenly are fast if you drop in an ssd (even a comparably slow one).

it's THE main issue why pc's are still after all these years "slow".
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Re: Solid state drives?

Post by IP » Sat Oct 09, 2010 12:19 pm

davepermen wrote:IP, they life for years, no need to fear. the rest of your computer will die long before the ssd. + the right ssd will report you when it comes to an end, so you know in advance.
You cant say that for the current SSD technologies.
I know through my old job that have been reported many fails with serious data lose and also there are many longevity problems if a lot or "write" is going on.

This technology is great but needs to grow a little bit more ...
sure it is growing faster than any other technology over the years because people are hungry for speed but still needs a bit more

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Re: Solid state drives?

Post by White_Rabbit » Sat Oct 09, 2010 1:43 pm

are you using SSD with windows or osx? just wondering how performance handles on osx after lots of use (creating and deleting files) without the TRIM support? got any examples of something impressive it can do?

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Re: Solid state drives?

Post by davepermen » Sat Oct 09, 2010 2:54 pm

IP wrote:
davepermen wrote:IP, they life for years, no need to fear. the rest of your computer will die long before the ssd. + the right ssd will report you when it comes to an end, so you know in advance.
You cant say that for the current SSD technologies.
I know through my old job that have been reported many fails with serious data lose and also there are many longevity problems if a lot or "write" is going on.

This technology is great but needs to grow a little bit more ...
sure it is growing faster than any other technology over the years because people are hungry for speed but still needs a bit more
in audio cases, not that much writes are going on. the worst kinds are the ones running tons of vms and databases on the ssd.

what types of ssds did they use? most first generation ssds indeed where quite buggy. haven't had any troubles with intels, though, yet.
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Re: Solid state drives?

Post by CR78 » Sat Oct 09, 2010 2:54 pm

I'm going to wait:

http://thessdreview.com/uncategorized/o ... s-release/

I like that OWC is Mac-centric and these new drives are hopefully going to be nothing short of ridiculous.

Only catch in all this next-gen waiting is.......PRICING? ;)
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Re: Solid state drives?

Post by davepermen » Sat Oct 09, 2010 2:55 pm

White_Rabbit wrote:are you using SSD with windows or osx? just wondering how performance handles on osx after lots of use (creating and deleting files) without the TRIM support? got any examples of something impressive it can do?
windows. but some (intel gen1, samsung, mtron) don't have trim and work fine, degradation is not really massive. on the other hand, the gen2 intel with trim on win7 are obviously nice.

hope apple gets trim working one day.
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Re: Solid state drives?

Post by purusha » Sat Oct 09, 2010 5:03 pm

I've had a Samsung 128GB unit in my desktop as a boot drive for 8 months or so.

Brilliant! Just brilliant!

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Re: Solid state drives?

Post by FuzzyKeys » Sat Oct 09, 2010 11:21 pm

I'm using the Intel X-25M G2 for my system drive on my 17'' 2.8 C2D Macbook Pro. The day I popped it in was basically like getting a new laptop. You can look at statistics, benchmarks, and do your homework (which I did of course), but 5-6x faster in the world of computers is a meaningless number until you actually see the difference for yourself. The boot times and application load times are incredible. If you perform with a laptop, it's a must-have. Computer's crash. Ableton crashes. OSX itself has only crashed once since I've had the Intel (about 7 months).

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Re: Solid state drives?

Post by Machinesworking » Sun Oct 10, 2010 4:23 am

New Egg, this SSD cheap, and near fastest read/writes, dunno about latency?
I'm thinking about it, talk me out of it? I'm on a Mac so Trim isn't much of an issue from what tests have reported, might be why Apple is slow to support trim?

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.a ... 6820322035

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Re: Solid state drives?

Post by davepermen » Sun Oct 10, 2010 1:54 pm

i have no clue about it. but i would not buy cheap stuff that does not specifiy the actual hardware that is in. so personally, i would not buy it (for a system that needs to be stable on stage, that is).

but the price IS nice, so i guess i would buy it for some secondary machine.
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Re: Solid state drives?

Post by aeon_flux » Sun Oct 10, 2010 8:19 pm

White_Rabbit wrote:are you using SSD with windows or osx? just wondering how performance handles on osx after lots of use (creating and deleting files) without the TRIM support? got any examples of something impressive it can do?
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Re: Solid state drives?

Post by Machinesworking » Sun Oct 10, 2010 8:25 pm

davepermen wrote:i have no clue about it. but i would not buy cheap stuff that does not specifiy the actual hardware that is in. so personally, i would not buy it (for a system that needs to be stable on stage, that is).

but the price IS nice, so i guess i would buy it for some secondary machine.
All the other info is there, just not latency, a lot of the SSDs aren't sharing that with New Egg I noticed. Might call Imation Tech Support on this. 6 months ago this was about $400, probably discounted because it has no Trim support. From tests people have done OSX seems to not create the same garbage that Windows 7, XP, etc. do, so Trim isn't as necessary. I would still clean the SSD every 6 months anyway, just because.

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Re: Solid state drives?

Post by davepermen » Mon Oct 11, 2010 5:28 am

Machinesworking wrote:
davepermen wrote:i have no clue about it. but i would not buy cheap stuff that does not specifiy the actual hardware that is in. so personally, i would not buy it (for a system that needs to be stable on stage, that is).

but the price IS nice, so i guess i would buy it for some secondary machine.
All the other info is there, just not latency, a lot of the SSDs aren't sharing that with New Egg I noticed. Might call Imation Tech Support on this. 6 months ago this was about $400, probably discounted because it has no Trim support. From tests people have done OSX seems to not create the same garbage that Windows 7, XP, etc. do, so Trim isn't as necessary. I would still clean the SSD every 6 months anyway, just because.
i don't find the chipset it uses. which is deal or no deal for me.

and trim isn't even needed on windows. still it's just nice to be there. hope osx gets it in an update, too.
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Re: Solid state drives?

Post by Machinesworking » Mon Oct 11, 2010 6:49 am

davepermen wrote:i don't find the chipset it uses. which is deal or no deal for me.
A particular brand or kind you're looking for?
Link to chips!
Toshiba-branded 8GB NAND chips
Phison PS3016-S3 drive controller etc.
http://hardwarelogic.com/articles.php?i ... nglepage=1

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