Sugarbytes Effectrix vs doin it manually

[The Empireal Formula]

Ok correct me if I'm wrong. But how hard is it to have say 5 or 8 audio tracks with whatever effects you desire on each of them and manually cutting the audio and placing them on a specific fx track?

That's basically what the plugin does no??

I was lookin into tryin this plugin out but then thought to myself that I could just do this manually...
Plus it would be better cuz I get full control of where I want a certain effect to take place
If I'm missing something please do share

[sporkles]

Why not just try it out, then? The demo is more than enough to persuade or dissuade you. The big advantage of Effectrix over
the manual approach, is how the effects are laid out in a sequencer. Also, some of the effects can't even be reproduced
in Live without a third party VST anyway (as far as real-time effects go, that is - you can always resample and stretch or
reverse, but Effectrix does this on the fly). You should also look into Artillery 2 (also from Sugar Bytes), which lets you
play the effects with your keyboard; all you have to do is arm a midi track, and pass on the midi to Artillery, as opposed to
mapping a dummy clip to a midi note.

Speaking of which: If you want to do this manually, I guess you need to look into dummy clips. The Covert Operators have
some good tutorials on dummy clips:

http://www.thecovertoperators.org/Artic ... the-basics
http://www.thecovertoperators.org/Video ... -revisited

The advantage of doing it manually is of course that you're pretty much unlimited as far as which effects you want to use
are concerned; instead of loading just a basic effect in Effectrix or Artillery, you can load a complex chain of effects
tailored to your needs.

By the way; I found a very nice way of using Artillery recently, which basically uses an instrument rack with an external
instrument on each chain to send midi to Artillery, which lets me collapse the MIDI clips on the track with the
instrument rack, and presto, I have my own Effectrix style sequencer, and even more versatile than the original! Now I
can program the effects meticulously, as well as play them with the keyboard.

[Poster]

I get full control of where I want a certain effect to take place

have a look at Artillery..
http://www.sugar-bytes.de/content/produ ... hp?lang=en

basicly the same effects as Effectrix but you you can 'play' the effects by keyboard.. much more expressive..

edit: plus you can still sequence the effects with a Live clip..

[docprosper]

I'm working on an M4L variant now; basically a step sequencer that drives an instrument rack to select different effects at different times. If there's interest ping me & I'll get a version out; it's basically finished but I need to make sure the midi mapping works.
-Hamish

[glitchrock-buddha]

Ok correct me if I'm wrong. But how hard is it to have say 5 or 8 audio tracks with whatever effects you desire on each of them and manually cutting the audio and placing them on a specific fx track?

A couple things. First, you can't do that live. And if you cut and paste a bunch of rendered audio, then that's it, you can't change parameters and tweak the effects as it plays. So then there's dummy clips or setting up fancy routing. Sure you get close, but end up using many more tracks specifically for that purpose. I don't know about you but I like to keep it clean, less tracks is better. Keeps it uncluttered and better with hardware controllers like the APC.

Effectrix is a single plug-in, allows for dynamic control of the effect parameters and instantly switching between patterns either by midi or by a single knob. It's also very cpu light. It doesn't always come down to what you can do, but what you enjoy doing and I'm telling you, effectrix is more enjoyable than Live device methods. Plus there's all the usual benefits of VSTs over live devices...

[docprosper]

I agree with the Buddha. I started with the audio editing method (I think there are some good Tom Cosm tutorials on this). The advantage is that you can get into the nitty-gritty of each little slice & tweak it just right, the (big) disadvantage is that it's not a realtime, on-the-fly process. Effectrix lets you do this, and has some pretty nice effects to boot IMO. I actually started the M4L project I detailed above because I liked the Effectrix concept but wanted to be able to insert in my own effects. I am now looking forward to giving Artillery a try as well...
-h

[glitchrock-buddha]

Artillery is great too. Also very light on cpu and can also be great as just a standard effects unit for the bread and butter stuff. The only thing is that to use the keyboard function, you need to use another track for Artillery's midi notes. Unless you use Kore and then you can actually use midi from the same track for both a midi instrument and Artillery by keysplit, which is cool, and still have audio going from the instrument to Artillery. Effectrix on the other hand is cool because the pattern switcher, which can be triggered by midi notes (the little keyboard graphic), can also be changed by a single control, available to automation. This is like having 12 effects racks in parallel with different combinations of effects on each and having a macro knob to switch between them. Except with Effectrix you don't need to duplicate effect devices between chains. I also think the single window with the effect sequences is pretty handy to see everything that's going on, as opposed to many different clip envelope views.

[simpli.cissimus]

I'm working on an M4L variant now; basically a step sequencer that drives an instrument rack to select different effects at different times. If there's interest ping me & I'll get a version out; it's basically finished but I need to make sure the midi mapping works.
-Hamish

Genius idea...!!!

Can't wait to see this one !!!

Cool !!!

[docprosper]

I'll keep you posted... didn't mean to jack the thread but thought this was topical

p.s. since I'm controlling an instrument rack, my design cannot layer effects like Effectrix can (unless they are already layered in the rack). IMO, It does make things more customizable by enabling the user to add in their own selection of FX. Should be done soon.
-Hamish

[The Empireal Formula]

Ya man please do share that M4L patch your workin on when its done! Very cool

[abluesky]

I use whatever-glitch-plugin AND I make manual edits.

No need to choose one OVER the other when BOTH options are available.

[condra]

I would also recommend checking out Artillary II

[docprosper]

Got that M4L sequencer I was talking about posted in time for Halloween. Hit the jump if you like, and keep glitching it no matter how you do

http://forum.ableton.com/viewtopic.php?f=35&t=152896

[britton]

thanks for this thread. very helpful!