Wavs versus plugins

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Wavs versus plugins

Post by giblespaul89 » Sun Dec 05, 2010 10:44 pm

hello all!

This may be a simple question but to reduce CPU load, especially when using multiple plugins. I export the tracks as wavs and then play them as wavs instead of from the plugin. The only problem i have is, regardless of if i switch it to 'high quality' or exporting on a high sample rate. The wavs never have the sound clarity or impact as they do with being played from the plugin direct. Apologies if this has a simple answer but does anyone know why this is or how i can use the wavs so they have the same impact?

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Re: Wavs versus plugins

Post by oddstep » Sun Dec 05, 2010 11:23 pm

Have you got the rendering set to 32bit in preferences?

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Re: Wavs versus plugins

Post by giblespaul89 » Mon Dec 06, 2010 2:02 pm

Thanks for your reply. I've just changed it from 24 to 32. I'll see if that makes a notable difference.

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Re: Wavs versus plugins

Post by Wunjo » Mon Dec 06, 2010 2:45 pm

What a lot of people do is to create a seperate audio track and then set the incoming signal on the I/O panel to whatever device you want to record then record the audio then disable the VST. Not sure about audio quality, there might be a setting for recording to 32-bit but I can't check at this moment.
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Re: Wavs versus plugins

Post by 33tetragammon » Mon Dec 06, 2010 3:50 pm

few questions :

-do you export it to a lower bitrate?because if you slam all your tracks to the max(against 0 dB),and export to a lower bitrate,you lose headroom and that screws up the sound.

-do you warp the audio?because if you do,you might alter the sound,depending on the warp algorithm you choose.

before exporting tracks,try this :

don't forget the "freeze"function in Live.freeze the instrument track,drag the midi to an audio track,and Live will render the midi as audio(the "flatten" command replaces the selected instrument track with a rendered audio track.this command only appears AFTER you applied "freeze" first).
this doesn't work when you have sends on the instrument track,for that you can resample Live's master output.
to do that,create an audio track,set its input to "resampling",hit record.done.

tip : exporting to a higher bitrate doesn't help at all.something that's recorded on 24 bit,and then exported as a 32 bit file will not add anything that wasn't there in the first place when you recorded it.if it's not there,it's not there.....
the other way around however is possible(and DOES work),but it requires you to dither the audio and is best to do after mastering.

funny thing is that a lot people are jumping on"the highest bitrate/samplerate possible is best for my music" bandwagon,even when it's not practical in the first place(using higher sample rates increase your cpu load),and secondly, you need top-notch stuff(good audio interface with good converters,good monitors,acoustically treated studio etc)to be able to hear it without side-effects(like distortion/jitter caused by bad converters/room nodes etc......)




i hope this helps you.

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