Altivec support!

ahbin · Post by **ahbin** » Thu May 26, 2005 5:54 pm

I know Ableton said it would be "too much work" and they're not going to do it, but I think mac users should stand up and demand their Altivec! And if that doesn't work, get down on their hands and knees and beg for their Altivec!

mcconaghy · Post by **mcconaghy** » Thu May 26, 2005 6:12 pm

I'll do both.... ALTIVEC NOW!!!!!!!!........ please?????

anti-banausic · Post by **anti-banausic** » Thu May 26, 2005 6:38 pm

Even though I am on PC, the non-altivec support forced me to go this way as opposed to MAC.

So, yeah Altivec...

And hyperthreading.

But really, above all else PDC!
Don't forget that one.

ingrid · Post by **ingrid** » Thu May 26, 2005 11:07 pm

I at least hope we'll get a Tiger optimized version.

montrealbreaks · Post by **montrealbreaks** » Fri May 27, 2005 1:29 am

Yeah, I use a PC only because Live ran like a sloth on on my old Mac.

This would have saved me a LOT of headaches, and I would still be a Mac user today.

Angstrom · Post by **Angstrom** » Fri May 27, 2005 11:50 am

I think they shouldn't add altivec support because it would get in the way of my sadistic enjoyment of watching mac users forced to use windows .

I think of it as penance.
for every time an individual mac user says "macs are industry standard for audio" they must do another day on Live on a wintel machine

[edit] I just spotted this, thought it was amusing[/edit]

yes, yes, they should add Altivec .. it's a joke OK!

smart1123 · Post by **smart1123** » Tue May 31, 2005 7:38 pm

please please please

mcconaghy · Post by **mcconaghy** » Tue May 31, 2005 7:42 pm

Angstrom wrote:

That picture is obviously a fake, and part of a Microsoft-initiated FUD campaign - the Apple disciple with the glasses is neither wearing a black turtleneck, nor does he have a Steve Jobs beard! All hail His Mighty Steveness! All hail the iCeo!

smart1123 · Post by **smart1123** » Tue May 31, 2005 7:50 pm

Angstrom wrote: for every time an individual mac user says "macs are industry standard for audio" they must do another day on Live on a wintel machine

They are

I do tech support in the largest film and tv post facility in western Canada, no PC's here, we tested them when we did our last upgrade and at least for protools (the other industry standard) they are way more stable (not that the macs are perfect...or I'd be out of work). When we talked to digidesign about switching to PC (for obvious financial reasons) the digi guys just shook their heads at us.

I have worked in three different post facilities here and have friends in several others, lots of Macs in production lots of PC's in administration and it seems thats the way it's going to be for a while.

Angstrom · Post by **Angstrom** » Tue May 31, 2005 9:11 pm

, you don't say!

yes, I know that .. that was kind of the point of my joke!
we suffer, so you should suffer .. see?

Back on the subject of altivec, I have an (even more controversial) offering.

Someone from Ableton said about this issue that there were no optimisations for either platform in the current code. I guess that means no SSE and no Altivec. So why does the PC version run better if it is not optimisation? Could it be there is a bug, flaw or other imperfection in the mac code?

unlikely I know, but possible. It seems odd that mac - which performs comparitively well with other pc/mac AV apps - requires optimisation in this case.

In case any cult of mac people do the usual (dont read the post and just answer with an i-reply " mac is great it looks nice")

I'll clarify -
mac is standard AV platform .. with most apps performs better than or equivalent to PC version.
EG: cubase on equivalent PC or mac is about the same
live on equivalent mac is much worse than PC
neither mac or PC live has optimization

big mystery why live is so underpowered on mac

obviously altivec would help ... but why is it needed?

bensuthers · Post by **bensuthers** » Wed Jun 01, 2005 3:00 am

> I at least hope we'll get a Tiger optimized version.

what exactly does that mean?

Machinesworking · Post by **Machinesworking** » Wed Jun 01, 2005 3:26 pm

Angstrom wrote:big mystery why live is so underpowered on mac

obviously altivec would help ... but why is it needed?

Let's see if I can explain this? Right now Live uses no special code from either PC or mac to boost performance, it's all straight CPU. Mhz. to Mhz. macs are only marginally faster, without altivec, Take a 1Ghz. PC VS a 1 Ghz. mac, and they perform almost the same, the mac being only marginally faster, especially in an application like Live 4 that has no Altivec code. The pure speed of AMD and Intel chips helps more than it would normally, because SSE doesn't boost PC performance the way Altivec boosts mac performance.

Now all of this is purely academic, there have been reports that Altivec does not help Live out in the least, soemthing to do with Live code I guess?

What would really help Live out on mac would be for the Powerbooks to get 2Ghz+ chips in them, the desktops are performing OK.

I don't think there is a dammed thing Ableton could do to optimize Live for Tiger really.... except for maybe to get Apple to let them use the "AUnet recieve" AU from AU Lab.

hoffman2k · Post by **hoffman2k** » Wed Jun 01, 2005 8:16 pm

Machinesworking wrote: I don't think there is a dammed thing Ableton could do to optimize Live for Tiger really.... except for maybe to get Apple to let them use the "AUnet recieve" AU from AU Lab.

You can use that AU in Plogue bidule

Machinesworking · Post by **Machinesworking** » Thu Jun 02, 2005 3:14 am

hoffman2k wrote:
Machinesworking wrote: I don't think there is a dammed thing Ableton could do to optimize Live for Tiger really.... except for maybe to get Apple to let them use the "AUnet recieve" AU from AU Lab.
You can use that AU in Plogue bidule

Are you sure? All I've ever seen in other Apps, including Logic 7, is AUnetsend.

AdamJay · Post by **AdamJay** » Thu Jun 02, 2005 3:25 am

Machinesworking wrote:
hoffman2k wrote:
Machinesworking wrote: I don't think there is a dammed thing Ableton could do to optimize Live for Tiger really.... except for maybe to get Apple to let them use the "AUnet recieve" AU from AU Lab.
You can use that AU in Plogue bidule
Are you sure? All I've ever seen in other Apps, including Logic 7, is AUnetsend.

its there. and you can see it in Logic under "AU Generators" (in an instrument track)