Live 8 and Omnisphere, or complex pro - flakey?

[Khazul]

Anyone using latest Omnisphere in Live 8.2.1 on Win7/64? (i7 CPU, 6GB RAM - plenty of CPU and memory resource spare)

Live seems to have become very very flakey - crashing lots since installing Omnisphere - doesnt seem to matter where its actually playing an Omnispehere part or not. I can leave it looping over some audio clips even and generally it will crash quite noisily after a minute or so.

Trillian doesnt seem to have caused any issues - thats allways been fine with Live.

I dont get a sense of any difference to the reliability of cubase 6 when using Omnisphere - seems to be just a live thing (which TBH is nearly allways my experience with plugins that live doesnt seem happy with - other software is happy with them).

Which audio interface Im using doesnt make any difference and TBH the audio interfaces I use are about the most reliable I have come across.

Other stuff generally in use (if it makes a difference).
Kontakt, Reaktor, Trillian, Sylenth1, ACE, Loads of Live plugins drum facks, fx etc.
Aether, Breeze, EOS, some T-racks plugins as inserts in various places,
SPL Mk2-T Vitalizer plugin, quite often melodyne DNA editor as well.
Often using complex pro warping (Ive been a bit suspicious of this in the past causing crashes TBH)

Often just dragging in a plugin lke Reaktor FX just kills live instantly as well since - seems fine before installing Omnisphere.

Odd thing - I cant definitive tie this to using Omnisphere, but something has definately gone to hell since installing it and with any sets in which it has been loaded at any thime, even if the plugin has since been removed from the set. So its just that all was prety much Ok before installing and Live has more ro less become a flakey useless heap of junk since. It could be complex warp as Im sure thats a bit flakey - can rememerber that last time I had Live crashing lots like this was when working on a remix and that typically the only time I heavily use complex pro warp mode (working on another at the moment) - so perhaps thats what is flakey and not Live+Omni?

Starting to look like Ive have to do it all in melodyne and cubase 6 and bounce the drums racks etc. Not a good way to start doing music as your day job - grrrr! (Perhaps this is why people who earn a living from this use something else to create/mix in?)

[purpurkatten]

Live is not yet optimized for Win7/64. So it doesn´t matter that you have 6 GB RAM or more, you can still only take advantage of the 32bit 4 gig limit.

Sooner or later, if you use Live with RAM-hungry VST-instruments, like Omnisphere, you are going to hit the 32-bit RAM roof. Some users have hit the roof already.

Other sequencers like Cubase have already addressed this problem long ago. Ableton Live has not.

Please read the following thread, http://forum.ableton.com/viewtopic.php? ... 5&start=15

As you can see, I was saying the same in that thread. For that, I got a slap in the face by a certain Jamief, who told me, and others who are not being able to really taking advantage of Omnisphere in Ableton Live because of the 32-bit RAM, that we were "in minority".

Seems that the time may be coming soon when we are not “in minority” anymore…

Again, I think it´s time to hear something from Ableton of how their work is progressing with 64 bit. Right now, as far as I can see, the users are left totally in the dark when it comes to the future of the software.

I am a bit concerned, since in my days I´ve spent a lot of money on both Logic for PC and Tracktion 3. Both are now dead sequencers. I would hate to be left in the cold a third time.

[Khazul]

Thanks for taking the time to reply

Yes - I know about 64 bit vs 32 bit, memory limits, how they applie to each OS and .exe image flags etc - I used to work for microsoft as a developer (which I can finally say now that I dont)

Its not related to anything like that (Live can use upto about 3.6GB on my machine, the sets I am working with are all around the 1.6-2.2GB mark which is allways fine on this machine - hence Win/7 64 DOES make a positive difference

Just wierd - interestingly Ive consolidated all audio tracks so no longer have to use complex pro warp mode and suddenly its behaving itself for the past half hour! Perhaps its that? (please dont make me use cubase )

[andrewbrewer]

when i use complex pro i usually try to find some point where i can record or bounce its output in a new clip. complex pro takes a lot of resources.

[hoffman2k]

8.2.2b2 contains a fix regarding to Complex Pro and Crashing. If you have a version of a project you know for sure crashes Live, it might be worth it to give the beta a go.

[Khazul]

Cheers - I downloaded it - not installed yet

Though it just died with two instances of refx nexus and mb sidechain and spl vitalizer and no audio at all - grrr!

[Forge.]

yeah I still have problems with Complex pro - usually just the odd pop/click but it's still noticeable.

[jamief]

I am that cetain jamief
No issues hear Win 7 latest omnishpere on two machines i7 laptop and desktop.
Complex pro though is a real hog on cpu and causes problems so i tend not to us it.

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purpurkatten it wasnt a slap in the face mate it was a matter of stating the facts. You are in the minority on the 64 bit issue. So stop slagging Live please. I can guarantee that Khazuls problem is not related to a MEMORY ISSUE. 64 i scoming so get off that horse please thankyou.

Khazul i was having serious issues with camlespace plugin on win 7. Live would not open songs withit in it that i had been using on xp. In fact live would notopen at all with it installed. To this date it still doesnt run with it the plugin list which is a pity as iys a great plugin.

best

[Khazul]

Khazul i was having serious issues with camlespace plugin on win 7. Live would not open songs withit in it that i had been using on xp. In fact live would notopen at all with it installed. To this date it still doesnt run with it the plugin list which is a pity as iys a great plugin.

Things just get wierder and wierder - CamelSpace is absolutely fine for me on Win7/64 as are the other 4 camel audio plugins (now whats the betting after saying that it crashes next time I use it? ).

Anyway - as for the above I pretty convinced it was complex pro mode that was upsetting live very badly (thanks h2k). That said, even independent of that Ive had a sharp decline in reliabilty of Live over the last couple of weeks.

Yes - it is a real hog, but TBH I just dont really notice it on this PC - 4Ghz i7 - used to kill my old one.

TBH I would be surprised if it was Omnisphere as I been using other spectrasoncis stuff for years and its been reliable, and even before omnisphere was added - trillian has been absolutely fine, so other than a coincidence of time, I have no reason to suspect thier software.

OTOH Live for me has a history of just being plain wierd and/or flakey with certain plugins (seems to regularly get the latency compensation wrong on t-racks stuff for eg, camel space for you - z3ta for some people) for no obvious reason when those same plugins can work fine for someone else and especially work fine in another host (cubase 6 in my case)