Faking sends from within a track?

[stax67]

If you have a delay on a send track in live, and 'send' some audio to it, when you turn down the 'send knob', the delay rings out until it is done.

Is there a clever way (using fx racks for example) of doing this on the same track the audio is playing from, so the delay will still ring out once the 'send' or 'dry/wet' is turned off? Rather than having the delay cut out, like what happens if you turn the delay dry/wet all the way down.

I want delays on different tracks that I can quickly send small amounts of audio to, but still have the delay trails over my dry signal, without have to have a separate send track for each delay.

Sorry if that makes no sense I am on some strong pain killers at the mo, so my head is a bit floaty.

Cheers.

[luddy]

Sure, you can do this.

Suppose you create an audio effect rack with two chains. One that has nothing in it (for passing the dry signal), one that has some kind of delay plug-in. Set the delay plug-in to full wet so that only the delayed signal comes out of it. The dry part will be controlled by the other chain.

Now, to mimic "send level" for the delay, insert a utility plug just before the delay plug-in (inside the chain containing the delay plug). When you pull the gain on that utility plug all the way down, you are cutting off the send to the delay, but not the output of the delay. Voila.

The only nit with what I described is that you can't pull the send level all the way to -inf with a utility plug, but either it will be good enough for you, or else you can roll your own utility plug using an empty audio rack with a single chain, using the chain volume level for the send level. That audio effect rack would be used in place of the utility plug.

hth,

-Luddy

[stax67]

Thank you luddy, that's a perfect idea.

I found, as you said, that the utility doesn't cut out the whole signal, so I added a gate with the threshold set really low which worked quite well.

the audio effects rack method is perfect goes right down to -inf.

Cheers for your help.
Stax.

[Dragonbreath]

Why bother with utility?

Just use the volume control for the chain with the delay... wouldnt that work better?

[Forge.]

Why bother with utility?

Just use the volume control for the chain with the delay... wouldnt that work better?

no because it will turn down the effect and not ring out...

just to add 2c - I was going to suggest the same thing as Luddy but there is one thing to be aware of - if you include any of the FX that have a "high quality" setting, there is a problem in Live with the PDC calculations when running it in parallel where there will be a slight latency on the hi-q one, - meaning if you have 2 chains in parallel and only one has a device with hi-q set to on, then the 2 chains will be slightly out creating some phasing issues. The way to workaround this for the moment is to have another copy of the same device on the other chain, with everything zeroed.

[of norway]

I used this method for live sets, if I recall it correct - it was very simple.

1. assign a midi button to the send on the track (not a rotary or a fader, but a pad or an encoder or something)
2. edit the minimum and max send to just be 128 / max

that was the theory at least. Whenever you push that pad on your midi controller it sends full signal to your delay, and whenever you release it it will stop sending but the delay will keep on ringing out. You could also of course set the send to pre-fader to tap more from quite signals or have cool reverb fx on the channel.

Not sure that was what you were looking for, but it has worked for me live

[inoagirl]

What about setting a return to 'pre' instead of 'post', then turn down the volume on the CH being effected.
Will this not give you the desired effect?

[inoagirl]

Ahh. Just read ur ENTIRE post. The answer is a bit more complex but I think properly designed racks combined with returns will do the trick.

[Akasha]

Here's my stab at a rack that should do what you're looking for. enjoy! made in 8.2.1

http://www.mediafire.com/?u9gjl5vss2l1hx5

peace!