new macbook pro w/ new I/O: could be DAW game changer

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Re: new macbook pro w/ new I/O: could be DAW game changer

Post by inmazevo » Sat Feb 26, 2011 2:23 am

Ahh, laptop screen sizes... it's a never-ending battle (for some, me included).
I've had two 17" machines, and over time came to the conclusion that the extra screen size + this or that output wasn't worth the hassle.
My wife and I go to Japan frequently, and the first time that I took a 17"-laptop I was sick of it before finishing taxi on the way out. Sucked. Not usable. Bulky. Heavy. Shorter battery life.
And you look like an idiot trying to get that scenario to fly.

Depends on what you want, I guess.

I'm a big fan, if you can afford it, of getting your "dream" laptop for the times you can access the dream, and (if you need it) a travel laptop, for the times you care a great deal about space.
When we go to Japan now, I take my 13" Macbook. It's old, and considerably slower than my current 15", but the 1+ pound difference + the volume of the machine (most importantly, actually) makes the decision.

I think if you're a traveling artist WITHOUT much backup for road crew type stuff, smaller is better than faster in most cases, with perhaps a bit more bouncing/etc. up front to prepare.
I'm no Digweed/Sasha/etc or whatever, and while I do play out while abroad, I'm happily small-time, and all by myself when lugging stuff about, equipment, clothes and all-things travel. For a 3-week excursion, give me a tiny machine any day.

Not to mention that one of my favorite times to work on new productions is when traveling internationally with limited room: a bullet train, a subway, a regional airline, a ferry, etc. It's GREAT for creativity, but doesn't always lend itself where space is concerned.

The new Macs are, IMHO, definitely a step in the right direction: quads, for one thing... 'bout time.
I recently (6 weeks ago) got an i5 dual 15"... decent machine, but compared to my home machine (8-core, gobs of memory), it feels so 2006. Luckily, it's a "work" machine (meaning, I didn't buy it), so now I can spend my own money on the new quads (which I will, as soon as my 'oh sh*t, I have a new kid' economic reality wears off. :-)

Take care,
- zevo

PS (for the OP, since this thread was about the new IO): Don't care right now. My studio has been on essential hardware "hold" for nearly 3 years... meaning, no new non-computer hardware, period. Love it. I'm fine with a major overhaul in another 5 years, but since it will likely be over half that long to get this tech at an affordable price all over the place, I'm good with just ignoring that it even exists. Quads are what I care about.
- z
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Re: new macbook pro w/ new I/O: could be DAW game changer

Post by Khazul » Sat Feb 26, 2011 5:01 am

beats me wrote:That’s talking about Logic and what I find most mind blowing about that report is you wouldn’t be able to get anywhere near that many instances of ANYTHING in Live without it crashing. Looks like the lowest count there is 38. Go ahead and try to put 38 instances of anything useful in Live. :lol:
Oh I know that only too well - at least from a PC perpective :)

But logic seems to have a good reputation for being able to smoothly as many cores as you have available. Interestingly - I found cubase 6 can be even worse than live for maxing out and going glitchy with even less loaded.
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Re: new macbook pro w/ new I/O: could be DAW game changer

Post by Rave » Sat Feb 26, 2011 6:15 am

LoopStationZebra wrote:sweatily!!!!! :x :x :x


Speaking of the Air, I don't know of a SINGLE Live user on this forum who actually owns one and has reported in on performance.

In fact, I don't know of a single post anywhere in which someone is purported to be running Live.

:x
My bro has the 11 inch air and it is faster than his 2007 MacBook

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Re: new macbook pro w/ new I/O: could be DAW game changer

Post by Hidden Driveways » Mon Feb 28, 2011 4:21 pm

nowtime wrote:For me, unfortunately, it's about the extra USB port :twisted: So many USB devices these days require their own bus (Maschine,Kore,Virus). Pissed off the 17" doesn't have 4 of them. I hear people saying the 17" is too big, and I wouldn't get it if I carried it on my shoulder alot. But really, it is not that much bigger than the 15"
It will be interesting to see if the new Thunderbolt port will be able please these bus-requiring USB devices. You wish the 17" had 4 USB ports, but it seems like in theory that Thunderbolt gives them all 6 extra USB ports.

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Re: new macbook pro w/ new I/O: could be DAW game changer

Post by Machinesworking » Mon Feb 28, 2011 6:13 pm

Curious as to the 6 peripheral limit? At the moment I have two USB hubs connected. Sounds like a limit to daisy chaining, but I'm all about making sure.

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Re: new macbook pro w/ new I/O: could be DAW game changer

Post by Hidden Driveways » Mon Feb 28, 2011 7:59 pm

I agree that the 17" is a big wonky size-wise, but you have to admit that it's a beast. Now it has Thunderbolt and an ExpressCard slot. Pretty bad ass.

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Re: new macbook pro w/ new I/O: could be DAW game changer

Post by beats me » Mon Feb 28, 2011 9:06 pm

I’d like to point out that despite the Air’s general “less than” status, Apple put 1 USB port on the left side and 1 on the right. Fucking genius to have that option.

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Re: new macbook pro w/ new I/O: could be DAW game changer

Post by Khazul » Mon Feb 28, 2011 10:41 pm

Hidden Driveways wrote:I agree that the 17" is a big wonky size-wise, but you have to admit that it's a beast. Now it has Thunderbolt and an ExpressCard slot. Pretty bad ass.
Hence why I ordered the MBP17 even if it is a luggable lap crasher rather than laptop. Its a shame they dont do a 15" or so size with the 1920x1200 display. I had a lenovo T61P before I quit my job and that was a very good form factor - 15" format, but 17" resolution huge display, DVD drive was a slide out tray that allowed you to hot swap it with an HD drive - that my biggest winge about MBP - cant hot-swap the superdrive for an HD.

One of the best designed PC laptops Ive come across and not a bad audio machine too as far as PC laptops go.
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Re: new macbook pro w/ new I/O: could be DAW game changer

Post by nowtime » Tue Mar 01, 2011 12:27 am

Regarding Thunderbolt as a super-USB hub: eagerly awaiting more news. I wonder if this could be in the very near future! 8)

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Post by Khazul » Tue Mar 01, 2011 1:36 am

nowtime wrote:Regarding Thunderbolt as a super-USB hub: eagerly awaiting more news. I wonder if this could be in the very near future! 8)
Might take a while for hardware and driver quirks to get sorted out as AFAIK there is nothing at all at the moment, though a couple of manufacturers have at least announced drives or the intension to do something drive related, but no USB/FW stuff yet AFAIK.
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Re: new macbook pro w/ new I/O: could be DAW game changer

Post by LoopStationZebra » Tue Mar 01, 2011 1:07 pm

nowtime wrote:Regarding Thunderbolt as a super-USB hub: eagerly awaiting more news. I wonder if this could be in the very near future! 8)

Super meaning a maximum of 6 TB devices, of course. :P


Still.....For those of us in the video post production world, it's a GODSEND. 8O
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Re: new macbook pro w/ new I/O: could be DAW game changer

Post by Hidden Driveways » Tue Mar 01, 2011 2:10 pm

nowtime wrote:Regarding Thunderbolt as a super-USB hub: eagerly awaiting more news. I wonder if this could be in the very near future! 8)
I also haven't heard any definitive reports as to if it will support USB 3.0 devices or not.

Hopefully this won't be a driver-required situation. I hadn't thought about that. If everything needs a Thunderbolt driver written for it, that could slow things down considerably for growth. It's going to be a year or more before any Windows PC come out with Thunderbolt ports. You can't add a Thunderbolt port to a computer on a PCI card. It needs to be built into the motherboard, so that will severely limit Windows PC integration.

Hopefully the driver thing won't be different on Thunderbolt. Meaning that if you plug an RME Fireface 800 into your Thunderbolt port with a FW800 to Thunderbolt adapter, that the computer would just use the normal FireWire driver- the computer will "see" the Fireface 800 as a FireWire device, and treat it as such with the same FireWire driver.

Fingers crossed...

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Re: new macbook pro w/ new I/O: could be DAW game changer

Post by beats me » Tue Mar 01, 2011 3:33 pm

USB 3 IS THE BETAMAX OF PROTOCOLS. But go ahead and keep talking/dreaming about it.

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Re: new macbook pro w/ new I/O: could be DAW game changer

Post by LoopStationZebra » Tue Mar 01, 2011 5:41 pm

Exactly. It's fucking dead. Can't believe how many articles I've read since Thunderbolt was announced that read like "Don't bury USB3 just yet!"

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Re: new macbook pro w/ new I/O: could be DAW game changer

Post by Hidden Driveways » Tue Mar 01, 2011 6:18 pm

:?: You guys gotta lay off the Kool Aide. Thunderbolt isn't a USB 3 killer. They're going to live side by side in perfect harmony OH LORD WHI KANT WHEEEE?

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