Warping...am i going off me head ere or what?

Paul Nolan · Post by **Paul Nolan** » Sun Jun 05, 2005 8:50 pm

been using live for a bit now, gotten quite familiar with it nd understand the concept of warping quite well.

however, me's got a bit of a problem that'll make me look like a bit of a tit, even if i do say so myself

basically, when i warp my tracks (most of them are coming in off vinyl just so you kno), they aint warped 'tight' like i want them. i even do 16 bars at a time to ensure proper accuracy, but it still seems off and slightly clashed when i put tracks together, you dig?

ive been told there's a knack to warping properly, and i know some people only use 1 warp marker and it can take them a matter of seconds to warp a track.

i am of the opinion that it might be my decks, and the fact im recording stuff in from them and the quartz might be slightly off or something and they may need a service?

it may also be the whole original bpm thing that im doing wrong?

any help whatsoever would be amazing, little tips, tricks or tidbits of info that i might have missed out on from not reading this board anywhere near as much as i should

cheers peeps

paul

supster · Post by **supster** » Sun Jun 05, 2005 9:02 pm

read this thread:

http://www.ableton.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=19574

rather not type it out again, but often this is a result of setting your warp markers in a track to the 'zero crossing' at the beginning of the swell of a kick .. and not just before the peak of the attack of the kick.

its often a small distance but its enough to throw it off with other tracks. read the thread for a better explanation ...

sickpuppy · Post by **sickpuppy** » Sun Jun 05, 2005 9:27 pm

yeah read the thread, and watch the movies, new links towards end of thread, will edit original thread and put them there as well...

I still say it's bull but if it works for you, then move towards the peaks

Paul Nolan · Post by **Paul Nolan** » Mon Jun 06, 2005 12:07 am

cheers kids, ive been tearing my hair out big time! like i said ive gotten very familiar with the workings of live quite quickly, but i was trying to do a mix cd and the mixes were just not as smooth and as synched in as i wouldve liked in truth. maybe these movies and the thread will help!

ill let you know how i get on, thanks a lot for the info!

p

Paul Nolan · Post by **Paul Nolan** » Mon Jun 06, 2005 12:12 am

oh yeh, i would also be interested in hearing your opinions on whether or not you think that recording tracks in from vinyl would have an affect on warping accurately?

theoretically it shouldnt, but if you've got old decks and the quartz might not be as accurate as a new deck, it may have an influence?

what do you all think?

mike holiday · Post by **mike holiday** » Mon Jun 06, 2005 6:25 am

dunno if it would be the quartz necessarily, but iv seen tables that "wobble' ugh what a night are...just from ware and tear..or damage someplace in the shaft
but you would notice this while mixing on them

blakejarrell · Post by **blakejarrell** » Mon Jun 06, 2005 3:31 pm

vinyl rips do not warp properly, but ive seen some mp3 and waves that are straight from the master that are pretty off in areas (cpu drag when rendered?)

regardless, warping is something that i find takes as much practice as when you first learned to beatmatch when you picked up djing on tables. it takes time and patience.

blakbeltjonez · Post by **blakbeltjonez** » Tue Jun 07, 2005 7:01 pm

there's a little bit of drift inherent in records, i've gone through many, many records and they tend to require more work than most people think. it's a ball ache sometimes, but i tend to go every bar and sync with a solid kick drum to have a reference. on some tracks, you have to go every quarter bar - it all depends. if you really want things to be rock solid and ride two mixes together for a while you'll need to go in and put in a bunch of warp markers.

it sucks goat balls, but that's what you have to do until Live 5 comes out (i'm very interested to see how well the auto-warping really does...)

the tools used to produce the record make a difference as well - MIDI slop is responsible for most of it, whether it be from an old computer or sequencer or drum machine. tracks done to tape have variable tempo too, and careless edits by the producer can also throw things off.

most in-the-box tracks (all done in a computer from start to finish) are rock solid timing wise since everything is referenced to a stable sample rate. those only require a few markers, often only a start and finish warp marker.