Automation delay blabla, has it been fixed?

[macmurphy]

i use automation in live extensively and have never had a problem.

i must be doing something wrong

[fx23]

maybe cause you don't use vsts?

[jtdj]

FFS - its not that big of a deal - yes its yet another annoyance to work around and watch for and Ill be happy when they finally sort it out, but if you like live's workflow, then it isnt a reason to not use live.
If I hit the problem in a way I cant easily workaround (for eg by reodering plugins), then I just bounce the audio and move the affected plugins to be the first in the chain on the bounced audio.

+ a million

you're just inventing problems. stop standing on the side of the pool wondering if there are sharks, just make some music with that you got.

when he dont has something yet its defently better to look twice.. its hard to change once you are settled..especially with a program tat has a so differnt workflow likle ableton life.. i consider this program as a trap that has dammaged my production quality but leaves you in a position where its hard to totaly go awy from it but living with anoying drawbacks for so many years is also eatuing your mood and gets audible at so many points..

than all theese rectified rainer campaigns and unhonest company statements.. wrong prioritys..

ok., making money with the most little possible costs is maybe the wright priority for a company..burt deffently dont helps to overcome drawbacks and bugs..

in the end of the day ableton is not really the super duper software company based on genius as we know tham from the past..theese genial programer one man start ups.. and that you see in all the deatils and theire running behind..

steinbarg is a nice company..cubase also has a somhow strnager workflow but they have to stick to that because its just a classic progra wer you have to keep the old users at home...

nuendo was steinbergs answer to that.. a software more focussed on professional tracking and mixdown.. something like a mega protools.. and that reflects on the price.. interstimg nevertheless when you are into surround mixdown and movie scoring

Most of your responses on this thread have been utter shite, ur music production quality has suffered since u switched to live? ur stuck on live because of the workflow? what aload of shit man, there are professional and charting productions that are made using Ableton every week. Some of the biggest chart hits of the past 2 years have been made using Ableton, a growing number of signed and professional producers use Ableton as their no1 DAW. If you cant make good quality tracks its not Ableton's fault, its ur lack of mixing knowledge and skill, you can do most things on any DAW, one DAW doesnt sound better than the other, its how you mix your tracks.

[jtdj]

* Song templates with pre-configured tracks and routing
* Supports AIFF, WAV, MP3, Ogg Vorbis and FLAC files
* VST and AU support; automatic plug-in delay compensation
* REX file support plus built-in audio to MIDI slicing
* Video import and export for scoring, video warping

http://www.ableton.com/suite-8

Can someone confirm if this is the case in Version 8 please?

[fx23]

this apply to L8 as well.

ADC stand for 'audio delay compensation' in ableton terms, not true (audio+related controls compensation).
'automatic plugin delay compensation' are playing on words bullshit.

of course you can make great tunes with your fisher price xylophone, still you will prefer your MPC no?
of coures great music can be made out of live, that's not however a valid argment to defend such flaw don't need to be fixed.
not only to raise the product to meet more 'professional' requirments like logic or Pt, but just to allow us to make tight music
when using VSTs, a quite fairly importent basis..

[jtdj]

this apply to L8 as well.

ADC stand for 'audio delay compensation' in ableton terms, not true (audio+related controls compensation).
'automatic plugin delay compensation' are playing on words bullshit.

of course you can make great tunes with your fisher price xylophone, still you will prefer your MPC no?
of coures great music can be made out of live, that's not however a valid argment to defend such flaw don't need to be fixed.
not only to raise the product to meet more 'professional' requirments like logic or Pt, but just to allow us to make tight music
when using VSTs, a quite fairly importent basis..

i agree that it should be fixed asap but its a reasonably easy fix, just use your ears instead of your eyes! Tbh it is annoying feature (or lack of) but it certainly doesnt bring ableton into the 'toy' category. I keep that term for FL users; where recording audio is a huge fucking chore!

[fx23]

but its a reasonably easy fix, just use your ears instead of your eyes!

im sorry if i sound rude, but imo you are not aware of the pb at all, cause neither eyes or ears can fix the pb.

i personally don't care at all the out-of sync VU_gui think, wich is annoying but don't affect music.
im more concerned by the fact drawn modulations or midi plugins that rely on clock system can't be in sync in any manner,
without any possible fix other than go in each clip modulations, select each curve and manually offset them, this each time you
change your plugin chain, and imo cannot be called a 'workable' workaround, and midi_clock offset of plugin purely and simply
doesn't have any possible workaround at all.

[jtdj]

but its a reasonably easy fix, just use your ears instead of your eyes!

im sorry if i sound rude, but imo you are not aware of the pb at all, cause neither eyes or ears can fix the pb.

i personally don't care at all the out-of sync VU_gui think, wich is annoying but don't affect music.
im more concerned by the fact drawn modulations or midi plugins that rely on clock system can't be in sync in any manner,
without any possible fix other than go in each clip modulations, select each curve and manually offset them, this each time you
change your plugin chain, and imo cannot be called a 'workable' workaround, and midi_clock offset of plugin purely and simply
doesn't have any possible workaround at all.

but if youve drawn in an automation line that has went out of sync then wouldnt u just use ur ears to work out where to compenstate the automation in order for it to work as intended?

[fx23]

yes, but i say this is not to be called a descent workaround, at least not to be called a 'reasonably easy fix'.
if let's say you draw some squared pulse modulation, tight and sync on the grid, on 1.1, 1.2 ect
if you use a high latency plug, you have manually to shit the automations of ie 100ms, ie to 0.3.3.X 1.some float ect.

1_ first you loose huge amount of time.
2_ the curves are then ok in audio but out of sync vs backround reference global grid, wich mean no uses of snap later possible, and total pain each time you want to draw a new steped modulation and makes correlation hard to acheive.
but let's say this is 'possible',
now:

3_ would you do those operations daily on average 10 curves, for 150 clips on 10 tracks simple live set? (1500 select-shifts)
4_ would you re-do the above 1500 jobs if finally decide to change the chain?

so imo this is not to be called a possible workaround.
and as said the plugins that rely on midi-clock, or live synced FX will be anyway out of sync, without ANY possible manual correction. ADC half concept has been introduced in L5, that's quite a long time ago now... i don't beleive in they will fix 'asap' anymore.

[fisto]

You're such an ignorant asshole JTDJ. Let me guess, you are producing geberic house and have never used another program besides Live? Is this right.

On your workaround-ideas i see that you really don't know that much about music production at all. Isn't automation one of the most important tools to make a good electronic track? And you suggest that one should fix this manually because the "electronic music program" Live does not do it? Great idea!

And you said that the most hits from last 2 years were produced in ableton Live? I don't think so, but regarding the over-shit quality o recent music it maybe true that it was produced in Live.

I dare to say that Life is a big factor in the shit some call house or techno. No wonder, because every idiot can put a 4 to the floor and a sidechain onto everything and call it mininal or house. There are alot of tutorials about that. And it's definetely true that Live kills the ability to make music if you work with it for a longer time. You become sloppy an don't correct little mistakes (or details) which should be fixed.
I've experienced this for myself and it's true.

So please don't attack users who just try to give their opinion on the topic of PDC if it's a valid critic point of Life.

[jtdj]

You're such an ignorant asshole JTDJ. Let me guess, you are producing geberic house and have never used another program besides Live? Is this right.

On your workaround-ideas i see that you really don't know that much about music production at all. Isn't automation one of the most important tools to make a good electronic track? And you suggest that one should fix this manually because the "electronic music program" Live does not do it? Great idea!

And you said that the most hits from last 2 years were produced in ableton Live? I don't think so, but regarding the over-shit quality o recent music it maybe true that it was produced in Live.

I dare to say that Life is a big factor in the shit some call house or techno. No wonder, because every idiot can put a 4 to the floor and a sidechain onto everything and call it mininal or house. There are alot of tutorials about that. And it's definetely true that Live kills the ability to make music if you work with it for a longer time. You become sloppy an don't correct little mistakes (or details) which should be fixed.
I've experienced this for myself and it's true.

So please don't attack users who just try to give their opinion on the topic of PDC if it's a valid critic point of Life.

ok first off i used Cubase for around 3 years before switching to ableton. I produce with bands, singers & my own original material. I dont make House music. So no, ur not right.

What i said was it can be worked around, givin the circumstance and depth of the problem. If youve read any of my previous comments on this problem on different threads you'd know im less that happy with the lack of this feature.

I'd love to hear some of ur music btw seeing as how you must be a 100% original genius artist, or is it just generic ambient music? yeh?

youve got the cheek to call me arrogant, well Fisto, let me tell you something, its called Live not Life you stupid fucking moronic nob-cheese head!

[fisto]

Haha, good reply dude . I'm really glad that i was not right with my assumption and i'm now even more stumped that you don't agree that LIVE is a toy technically. Really strange, you should know it better.

And nope, i am
not producing ambient muzikk

[jtdj]

Haha, good reply dude . I'm really glad that i was not right with my assumption and i'm now even more stumped that you don't agree that LIVE is a toy technically. Really strange, you should know it better.

And nope, i am
not producing ambient muzikk

what other aspects would you say make ableton a toy? and what DAW do you use?

[fisto]

I used to (after switching from cubase SX3) do all in Live but since more that a year i'm mixing in Reaper and since 2011 i do only the layout in Live and everything else in Reaper till it's done.

For me
Live is a great tool to build the layout of a track (make scenes and play them over to arrangement) and thn export everything and finish in Reaper. I have the feeling that the more tracks you have in Live, the muddier it sounds, although I use the same plugins as i use in Reaper and there the tune does not sound muddier and muddier. Also after importing the tracks from
Live into reaper the tune immediately sounds clearer, i really
don't know why, but i can hear it.

So the lack of PDC (which surely contributes to the muddiness and slugishness), the lack of a real mixer where i can see all tracks and all plugins at the same time, the lack of screenviews and clipgrouping and the samplerateconversion which happens here and there without a SR-change make it a toy for me. But as i said, Live is great for sketching out tunes and ideas.

And since i started to mix in reaper the mixes are way way better.

[jtdj]

I used to (after switching from cubase SX3) do all in Live but since more that a year i'm mixing in Reaper and since 2011 i do only the layout in Live and everything else in Reaper till it's done.

For me
Live is a great tool to build the layout of a track (make scenes and play them over to arrangement) and thn export everything and finish in Reaper. I have the feeling that the more tracks you have in Live, the muddier it sounds, although I use the same plugins as i use in Reaper and there the tune does not sound muddier and muddier. Also after importing the tracks from
Live into reaper the tune immediately sounds clearer, i really
don't know why, but i can hear it.

So the lack of PDC (which surely contributes to the muddiness and slugishness), the lack of a real mixer where i can see all tracks and all plugins at the same time, the lack of screenviews and clipgrouping and the samplerateconversion which happens here and there without a SR-change make it a toy for me. But as i said, Live is great for sketching out tunes and ideas.

And since i started to mix in reaper the mixes are way way better.

well if thats what u feel comfortable in then fair enough. Cant say Iv ever noticed Live getting more muddier the more tracks i add, maybe an issue with ur soundcard/interface? But still, I wouldnt say its a toy, and no offence, but especially compared to Reaper; theres no audio editor in reaper for a start, i mean thats a joke and is an utterly major problem. The instruments are extremely basic and the quanisation features are about as complex as karl pilkingtons haircut.