If Live 9 doesn't deliver...

[dazzer]

Wouldn't switch to Logic as to be honest I don't trust Apple (people here slagging off Ableton for lack of communication about stuff, you really think Apple, of all all people, are better??!!?) and I like to stay cross-platform with my DAW in case I start using Windows again the future.

Thing with Apple is, it seems Lion is gonna start incorporating iOS stuff re. multi-tasking and not actually closing apps down, which IMO is a nightmare on the iPhone and would be a disaster for audio apps on a Mac.

[McQ714]

...Ableton charging for *everything* and Logic's free synths/sampler/loops/amps kinda kills any sense of loyalty to Live.

Yeah that's kinda how I feel. Sure we all have some VSTs and there are many out that are completely free. The fact that Ableton charge an extra $300 for Suite for stuff that's included with most other major DAWs is kinda lame. I'm guessing it's because they didn't develop those instruments themselves and had to resort to collaborating with 3rd party developers to get those instruments but then so do other DAWs. At least The Bridge is free I guess. Not that I'll ever use it because I'm a Traktor user.

Ableton.. if you're listening and I know you are, Live 9 should include the Suite instruments at no extra cost other than an upgrade fee of $100 tops. And for Suite owners, the upgrade should only be $40 for the online version and $60 for the boxed version. You've made your money. The only DAW that's more expensive, aside from Sequoia or Nuendo, is Pro Tools 9 and the only DAW with an expanded instrument collection is the PT 9 w/ the Instrument Expansion Pack. Logic, Sonar, and Cubase are very extensive with respect to the included instruments and they all do it either for the same price as Live or cheaper.

OK... now I'm whining!!! Give us more for less.

[Khazul]

DV in the UK -
Live 8 - 299
Sonar X1 Producer edition - 317
Logic Studio Pro 9 - 332
Pro Tools - 450
Cubase 6 - 465
Live 8 Suite - 499

Basic live is the cheapest and Live suite is the most expensive (unless you add up pro tool and its instrument pack, but then everying PT related is expensive including 3rd party plugins).

I guess you have to figure in how much the session view matrix aspect is worth.

BTW - started doing some testing with machine for Live use with traktor - it seems to loose midi ticks as well and so drifts out of sync. Might be an MME driver quirk, but unfortunatelyn with machine, there doesnt seem to be a select direct-x driver option. Have to see if bettter on a mac when the damn thing gets here from china (Grrr at apple for f****** about with it for so long.)

[nathannn]

dude, just jump shit and stop the whining.

props to the guys that still rock Ver 6.

Hasn't failed me yet.
(Except for complex warp mode. Grr.)

nice typo I made.

big deal.
as they said in the 80's "shit happens"

[McQ714]

DV in the UK -
Live 8 - 299
Sonar X1 Producer edition - 317
Logic Studio Pro 9 - 332
Pro Tools - 450
Cubase 6 - 465
Live 8 Suite - 499

Just so you know.

Pricing from Sweetwater in the US -
Live 8 - $499
Live 8 Suite - $799
Sonar X1 Producer - $399
Logic Studio 9 - $499
Pro Tools 9 - $599
Pro Tools 9 with PTIE Pack - $898
Cubase 6 - $499
FL Studio Producer 9 - $199
Digital Performer 7 - $499
Studio One Pro - $399
Record Reason Duo - $399
ACID Pro 7 - $299

Not the cheapest and close to the most expensive!

And a couple of these DAWs offer a crossgrade option making them even cheaper:

Digital Performer 7 Crossgrade - $395
Studio One Pro Crossgrade - $299

[remute99]

Wouldn't switch to Logic as to be honest I don't trust Apple (people here slagging off Ableton for lack of communication about stuff, you really think Apple, of all all people, are better??!!?) and I like to stay cross-platform with my DAW in case I start using Windows again the future.

Thing with Apple is, it seems Lion is gonna start incorporating iOS stuff re. multi-tasking and not actually closing apps down, which IMO is a nightmare on the iPhone and would be a disaster for audio apps on a Mac.

Yeh, I'm aware of Apple's stoney silence, and gave Ableton's previous availability as an example of something it had over the big players - (Pro Tools DUC aside).
However, seeing as Logic Express so far hasn't crashed on me compared to Live's multiple-fucking-times-times-a-day and I'm digging the free sampler, drum machine, synths and ability to run waaaay more Au than Live etc, I'm not complaining.

[Khazul]

However, seeing as Logic Express so far hasn't crashed on me compared to Live's multiple-fucking-times-times-a-day and I'm digging the free sampler, drum machine, synths and ability to run waaaay more Au than Live etc, I'm not complaining.

In the end these are the reasons we are getting logic in here. Latestt betas are better than 8.2.1, but still a long way short of ideal for stability and of course claiming 85% CPU use on a 4GHz i7 when the system thinks only about 13% is being used is just wrong. To be fair - Cubase 6 doesnt seem to be able to use the system any better either and acually goes glitchy with less tracks and less plugins loaded, but Ive started to wonder if perhaps Cubase is sneaking in some oversampling somewhere - would at least account for its higher than expected CPU use.

So looks like big projects will ironically have to be done on a mac laptop instead of a very fast 64 bit PC desktop system

Oh yes one other thing we complain about a hell of alot - External Sync to MIDI - well it seems the NI Maschine standalone application suffers from an identical drift problem on windows but with no option to switch to Direct-X MIDI to fix it - so probably another reason to go mac, which is turn means logic becomes the proper DAW of choice to use when Live cant do something.

[jamief]

Will you jump ship? Which DAW would you go to?

This is not meant as an Ableton-bashing topic... just a bit of motivation for them to get it right.

God ! help us !

[soleil vert]

I am sticking with live 8 until computers run quiet (or for ever)

[meggymoo7]

If it comes down to totally unstable i may go with sonar , however i hate the set up for it and every oyher linear d.a.w. i really think all of these posts will be stupid what if posts and when it does come out its going to be 64 bit stable as fuck with things you never dreamed of.......or imagined and will not be a beefed up version of 8 .They are about to corner the market glad im glad i got it cheap while i could .......

[HeadrickProductions]

What this polls shows is how amazing the idea behind live is! I had a very bumpy ride in the beginning with live. I had used reason and tools and could not believe that a product could be as bad as live 8 was when it first came out. There is nothing else out there like it yet and until there is people will continue to use live (what you will see is people using it as a secondary product like reason, which most people seem to do it already). I'd be willing to bet that people who bought live also own some other software as well.

Despite the issues live 8 had I'm sure I'll upgrade to live 9 (as long as it is 64 bit). The only difference is that I will wait at least a year to upgrade.

[djwack]

...I'm going to switch to Five512 Numerology. Sure, it's not as megaflexible as M4L, but most of the top downloaded m4l patch functions are built in, like lfos etc.. And it's fun as herg to use

EDIT: There's so much to Numerology that I can't even begin to describe to y'all..

[Jarvisimon]

There is no way Ableton will release Live 9 with as many bugs in as they chanced with Live 8. It would be the instant death of the company.

Whilst i'm quite happy that Live 8 is 99.8% rock solid stable, my next Ableton purchase will be Live 9 and I look forward to its plethora of time saving features.

I just hope they advance my biggest concern and that is "user remote scripting". The speed and enjoyment I get from software stems from it's ability to interact seamlessly with my hardware.

So to summarise "if Live 9 fails to deliver" just ain't going to happen. Their mortgages and reputation are at stake and they know it.

[sporkles]

I'm looking at this a little differently: Live 9 will have to deliver something quite special if I'm going to upgrade. Feature wise, I'm not really missing anything in Live 8 - what's holding me back is my own lack of creativity.

Also, if I still don't feel that Live 8 is as sturdy as it should be, why should I trust a new version (which may or may not be a complete rework, with 64-bit support and all)? Just the other day, I saved my work, closed Live, and my laptop went BSOD. I mean - that sort of stuff is really not something that's acceptable in 2011.

Along with the instability (8 has improved a lot, I'll give them that), the number one gripe I have with Live as of now is its poor performance: the CPU jumps are absurd: every time an event (or several events) occur, the CPU skyrockets: if you have loop enabled, BOOM! - the CPU meter bursts when you reach the loop point. If several MIDI clips start at the same time, BOOM! - the same thing happens. And this causes horrible glitches and pops in the output. Mind you, this is not in a scenario where you're averaging at 70-80% + on the CPU meter; I can be at around 40-50%, and one spike sends me through the roof. All of this has lead me to the conclusion (and I've mentioned this before) that Live in its current state needs a lot of headroom as far as processing power and RAM go; I see this if I move a troublesome project from my laptop to my desktop (from 2.2 GHz dual core / 2 GB RAM to 2.66 GHz quad / 4 GB RAM): the spikes are there, but they don't cause clicks, because there's a lot more headroom.

Well, I guess that was a little tl;dr, but my point is (having ordered a new laptop w/quad core, 64-bit W7 and 16 GB RAM) that if I start feeling really comfortable working in Live 8, I don't see why I'd need Live 9 - UNLESS, of course, it turns out to be fantastically stable and in 64-bit.

[The Leveller]

For me the are very few reasons to need to upgrade straight away to Live 9. I'm not bother about bloody bezier curves and all that chin stroker nonsense, the average listener hears no difference if it takes me a few moments to manufacture a curve.

No, The thing for me is that I've tried other daws and fuck me, they bore me senseless. Live delivers a platform that actually encourages creativity, session view plus and apc makes ideas flow like proverbial water.

The rest are simply shite. Live all the way for me. simples.