vs 5: Simple features that cant miss the cut!

Machinate · Post by **Machinate** » Sun Jun 05, 2005 2:58 pm

soprry if i'm being daft, but what *is* that bug in impulse, mosca?

borg · Post by **borg** » Sun Jun 05, 2005 3:00 pm

has anyone seen a mention of being able to record midi cc data in session view clips?

Sales Dude McBoob · Post by **Sales Dude McBoob** » Sun Jun 05, 2005 3:34 pm

Live is all about 'time'. It's real time. Once can easily fuck with the fabric of time.

But, take all the LSD you can muster, and you still will not be able to SEE time. You know, a little readout at the top of the screen that tells you the length of the song. "Oh, this song is 3 minutes and 22 seconds long." "Yeah, at 1 minute and 42 seconds you should punch in a blah blah blah."

It seems simple enough, but with all the ways you can twist time around itself in Live, I can't fathom how it can be done without ending up with this monsterous clock readout that would frighten the panties off of potential newbie users.

tribalogical · Post by **tribalogical** » Sun Jun 05, 2005 8:45 pm

OK, here's a couple of stupid-simple, dog-easy things I've always wished for (I know there are equally easy workarounds for these, sort of, but I want the convenience):

Template management built-in to the file menu:
- "Save as Template" and....
- "Load Template"... (including an item in there to "set as default" to change that on the fly)

Preferences "snapshot library" & management...
- A way to save my "preferences settings" in a snapshot, as a sort of "session environment". That is, routing, midi settings, number of audio channels active, etc. If I want to change from 2-1in/2-out over to 24-in/8-out, then back again, well...... *sigh*.... what a tedious process that is, eh? I would like to be able "snapshot" and recall those settings from a managed list, and access them from a menu.........

Sometimes I don't need the cue mix at all, and can run with only 2 outs, and lower CPU demand.... Other times, I want the full complement of I/O... if I'm running HALion 3 in a set, I might need to reconfigure the I/O to support my patch settings.... being able to do that from a snapshot list would be a real timesaver......

I just did the Live Performance Test, and to run it, had to go in, completely alter my prefs settings, run the test, then go back in and revert everything to my normal settings... that took more time than running the test itself! Prefs Snaphots would make quick work of that kind of thing...

In short, I want to be able to create "presets" for templates and preferences, just like I do for effects now.....

Imagine using the two of those in tandem, and you can see how convenient and flexible it could make things......

Just a couple of minor but niggling ideas....

peace,
tribalogical

supster · Post by **supster** » Sun Jun 05, 2005 8:58 pm

Sales Dude McBoob wrote: a little readout at the top of the screen that tells you the length of the song. "Oh, this song is 3 minutes and 22 seconds long." "Yeah, at 1 minute and 42 seconds you should punch in a blah blah blah."

theres a timeline on the bottom of arrangement.

a readout would be great, i dont know how much room there is for one though and its probably something they will have time to get in to 5 before the release date if they havent already.
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Vercengetorex · Post by **Vercengetorex** » Sun Jun 05, 2005 9:08 pm

supster wrote:
hoffman2k wrote:nr 2 you are asking.

Isn't that the freeze feature they added?

freeze is awesome yeah, but it freezes all the settings of the track into all of the clips in the track, right? thats what it sounds like

in that case it really doesnt cover the minute to minute case of consolidating clips with thier volume, envelope and start marker settings. or just making a 2 bar clip into a double 4 bar one

you'd have have a single clip in the track to use freeze.

They mentioned "clip freeze" in the announcement, I was thinking this would allow us to freeze individual clips in the session view without effecting others, even those on the same track.

funkateer · Post by **funkateer** » Mon Jun 06, 2005 2:53 pm

I hope they have tweaked the remote midi control stuff, 'cause in 4 it appears to be ALMOST exactly what's needed. I hope some of the beta testers are instrumentalists who run Live hands free using something like an FCB1010.

1) X/Y clip addressing. Version 4 seems to require you to dedicate switches to particular clips or tracks. It would be great if you could have 4 switches - up , down (i.e. prev or next scene), right and left (tracks). You use these to navigate to the desired track and/or scene. There would then be just one 'clip launch' control that would apply to the current track. Likewise with record enable, etc.

2) I'm still hoping that I just haven't figured out how to do it, but it looks like 4 may not support it. Pretty simple: I want the tap tempo feature (tap one measure, and then playback begins) to initiate RECORDING. How cool would that be. Tap your foot 4 times and recording starts (4/4) on the next beat.

Providing a general way to navigate around the session view and making the functions that apply to clips and tracks pertain to the current 'selection', instead of an absolute track/clip, would make it possible for a performer to create many loops using only a few footswitches.

peeddrroo · Post by **peeddrroo** » Mon Jun 06, 2005 3:32 pm

mosca wrote:i'd be happy with them fixing the bug in impulse

what's that?

illsub1 · Post by **illsub1** » Mon Jun 06, 2005 3:50 pm

All I need is iterative quantizing of MIDI events. That I know would be easy. (Quantizing a percentage instead of hard quantizing) Also the triggle launch mode for us Live loopers please don't forget about us!!!!

sarcazm · Post by **sarcazm** » Mon Jun 06, 2005 4:00 pm

simple GUi request:

Have the track title background colour be different for midi, audio, return and master tracks. Just easier to visualize what is what and where.

Kodama · Post by **Kodama** » Mon Jun 06, 2005 4:02 pm

More sophisticated midi mapping (limited ranges, multilple parameters per CC#, etc..) for me

Robert Henke · Post by **Robert Henke** » Mon Jun 06, 2005 9:29 pm

While these features are seemingly simple, I can assure you we have a list of
something like one thousand ( !!!) of them. We try to put them in, one after another, but this will take a while. Also if we do not want to end as another feature packed un-Logic audio sequencer, we have to think very carefull of every detail before we put it in. Adding features is simple, adding them and keep the software simple is complicated...

Still ,I think, we are quite good in reacting to your needs and whishes and we are quite confident that L5 will prove this.

Robert

chis · Post by **chis** » Mon Jun 06, 2005 9:46 pm

Thanks for the reply, Robert. I'm sure most of the more reasonable forum-goers (such as myself

) understand you perfectly, and are ecstatic enough about Live 5's new features as they are!

I'm pretty happy with the new additions Live 5 brings, and I will certainly be upgrading at some point. I don't wish to appear ungreatful though, if I say, the only feature I really hanker after sometimes - as Kodama mentions - is assigning multiple parameters to a single MIDI controller. (oh alright, being able to change time-signatures mid-song would rock as well)

But otherwise, really, I'm looking forward to the new version.

Robert Henke · Post by **Robert Henke** » Mon Jun 06, 2005 10:02 pm

Hi Chris,

it is not only completly fine if you express your needs and concerns, it is actually _highly_ welcome. We have a hard time deciding between all the options and the more feedback we get, the better for all of us. Keep requesting !

Best,

Robert Henke
Ableton

supster · Post by **supster** » Mon Jun 06, 2005 10:14 pm

Robert Henke wrote: we have to think very carefull of every detail before we put it in. Adding features is simple, adding them and keep the software simple is complicated...

which is one of the main reasons we love this software so much, nobody is doing it quite the way you guys are.

so if you do add the feature, its hopefully going to be done in the most intuitive, flexible way it can be done.

i guess what im aiming at in this thread are the things that are so basic and useful, not having them must be an oversight? or simply being so swamped with other priorities they keep getting pushed aside.

we really need those custom key commands though, please dont push it aside

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vs 5: Simple features that cant miss the cut!

Better support for hands free looping