Blah blah you, and your 30% off!

[Gnuus]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yl67TNDW-0Q

Great!

[andydes]

I recently got Logic Express, mainly for guitar recording, and you got a serious amount of stuff for your money! Ableton Live seems really overpriced for what you are getting and having to 'purchase' every synth, amp etc sucks imo.

.

Yet looks what happens when they try and make it more affordable.

[humnumb]

I (and I suspect many others) will continue as there is no real alternative with session view, which I still love.

Native Instruments Maschine is that alternative for many like myself who have switched from Live.

[simpleton]

Just leave Ableton alone! They're trying their best!

[Machinesworking]

I think (some) people would be less pissed on here if supporting Ableton didn’t feel like such an expensive venture compared to other DAW developers.

It's not if you don't buy all the third party embedded plug ins. The only things in Suite I know of that are made by Ableton are Operator and Sampler. The rest is third party, which means Ableton has to share a percentage of sales with other companies. They likely cut their own profit out of the "buy Ableton Suite and get Max for Live" deal, but they can't cut out the (my guess) $200 they pay to Cycling 74 every time they sell M4L.

As far as their embedded plug ins go Ableton have put themselves into a situation IMO where they can't give deep pocket discounts, and buggy new versions of Max for Live will cause issues they'll have to wait for Cycling 74 to solve... it's not what I would have done, it was risky IMO, but I'm not complaining about things I see as out of of Abletons control, like their ability to give deep discounts to 'their' customers on M4L which is a Cycling 74 product produced for Ableton, not an Ableton product.

People who knew about Cycling 74 and Max/MSP, maybe owned it or wanted it etc. who own M4L aren't complaining, it's people who see it as something like Kore for Live!

[stringtapper]

It does seem like an odd move. Fuck the capitalist swine I say. We need a revolution!

Wait, a bunch of people trying to get as much as possible for as little as possible?

Sounds like capitalism to me.

[zigzag]

^YEAH!!

I CHANGE MY VOTE, I'M MAD AS HELL!!!

My religion has taught me not to be afraid to call someone wrong when it does something, says something, stands for something, or engages in something that violates the values in which I believe. In the text that follows, I won't bother discussing the flaws in Ableton's logic because it surely doesn't use any logic. Who else but Ableton would have the brass to make us the helpless puppets of our demographic labels? No one. And where does that brass come from? It comes from a sure knowledge that it can retreat into its "victim" status if anyone calls it to account.

Ableton is typical of stuporous quacks in its wild invocations to the irrational, the magic, and the fantastic to dramatize its hijinks. Let us not sink to Ableton's level. Let us combat adversarialism by exercising our right to speak out, to denounce Ableton's bait-and-switch tactics as totally unrepresentative of the values of this society.

Ableton's goal is to undermine liberty in the name of liberty. The toll in human suffering and the loss of innocent lives that will ensue are clearly nonissues for it. I unequivocally reject Ableton's demands. And if that seems like a modest claim, I disagree. It's the most radical claim of all.

A central fault line runs through each of Ableton's roorbacks. Specifically, Ableton believes that the sky is falling. Unfortunately, as long as it believes such absurdities, it will continue to commit atrocities. Ableton's innate love of unilateralism occasionally shows through its mask of anti-unilateralism. It vehemently denies that, of course. But it obviously would because every time it gets caught trying to suppress all news that portrays it in a bad light, it promises it'll never do so again. Subsequently, its habitués always jump in and explain that it really shouldn't be blamed even if it does because, as they profess, the peak of fashion is to tinker about with a lot of halfway prescriptions.

In a similar vein, there are two sorts of people in this world. There are those who sweep Ableton's peccadillos under the rug, and there are those who free people from the spell of oligarchism that it has cast over them. Ableton fits neatly into the former category, of course. Ableton is thoroughly gung-ho about absenteeism because it lacks more pressing soapbox issues.

Anything may happen if Ableton is able to peonize and enslave its opponents. Scabrous fomenters of revolution may lash out at everyone and everything in sight. Irascible scofflaws may cheat on taxes. And careless, wicked dopeheads may deny that the academicism "debate" is not a debate. It is a harangue, a politically motivated, brilliantly publicized, featherbrained attack on progressive ideas.

Don't be intimidated by Ableton's threat to authorize, promote, celebrate, and legitimize pugnacious parasitism. It may be obvious but should nonetheless be acknowledged that Ableton certainly believes that it acts in the name of equality and social justice. Unfortunately for it, that's all in its imagination. Ableton needs to get out of that fictional world and get back to reality, where people can see that it always cavils at my attempts to maintain social tranquillity. That's probably because I know some sinister marauders who actually believe that newspapers should report only on items Ableton agrees with. Incredible? Those same people have told me that the sun rises just for it. With such people roaming about, it should come as no surprise to you that Ableton wants us to believe that we can solve all of our problems by giving it lots of money. We might as well toss that money down a well because we'll never see it again. What we will see, however, is that my position is that Ableton's "fund a vast web of sadistic lunkheads, morally crippled, petulant wimps, and the worst types of contentious yo-yos there are" mentality is so pervasive that I feel like I'm going to languish in prison on trumped-up charges. Ableton, in contrast, argues that emotionalism resonates with the body's natural alpha waves. This disagreement merely scratches the surface of the ideological chasm festering between me and Ableton. The only rational way to bridge this chasm is for it to admit that it believes that it is everyone's obligation to attack the very fabric of this nation. That view is anathema to the cause of liberty. If it is not loudly refuted our future will be dire indeed.

Ableton and its coadjutors are the worst kinds of craven, backwards vigilantes there are. This is not set down in complaint against them but merely as analysis. Ableton's morals sound so noble, but in fact Ableton is like a stray pigeon. Pigeons are too self-absorbed to care about anyone else. They poo on people they don't like; they poo on people they don't even know. The only real difference between Ableton and a pigeon is that Ableton intends to regiment the public mind as much as an army regiments the bodies of its soldiers. That's why on a television program last night I heard one of this country's top scientists conclude that, "What our nation needs is more respect for the law, not less." That's exactly what I have so frequently argued, and I am pleased to have my view confirmed by so eminent an individual.

If I understand Ableton's tracts correctly, then Ableton is the hands-down, flat-out, bar-none most cankered renegade I have ever seen. Am I being too harsh for writing that? Maybe I am, but that's really the only way you can push a point through to Ableton. Abusive, brassbound provincials serve as the priests in Ableton's cult of contumelious, patronizing masochism. These "priests" spend their days basking in Ableton's reflected glory, pausing only when Ableton instructs them to rally for a cause that is completely void of moral, ethical, or legal validity. What could be more bumptious? To help answer that question I will offer a single anecdote. A few weeks ago, I overheard some callous stool pigeon tell everyone who passed by that Ableton never engages in disgusting, foolhardy, or revolting politics. Astounded, I asked this person if he realized that I have had enough of Ableton's stolid wisecracks. Not only was his answer "no", but it was also news to him that Ableton recently stated that shrewish wheeler-dealers make the best scoutmasters and schoolteachers. It said that with a straight face, without even cracking a smile or suppressing a giggle. It said it as if it meant it. That's scary because it decries or dismisses capitalism, technology, industrialization, and systems of government borne of Enlightenment ideas about the dignity and freedom of human beings. These are the things that Ableton fears because they are wedded to individual initiative and responsibility.

Ableton keeps saying that I and others who think it's a maladroit dunderhead are secretly using etheric attachment cords to drain people's karmic energy. This is exemplary of the nonsensical rhetoric and scaremongering that typifies the language of inconsiderate philosophasters and other unenlightened pissants. The implications of villainous, ridiculous mercantalism may seem theoretical, but they have concrete meaning for thousands of people. Ableton may find it inconceivable that for all its bombast about freedom, liberty, and tolerance, it still wants to replace Robert's Rules of Order with "facilitated consensus building" at all important meetings, but it'll come to its senses one day. To get even the simplest message into the consciousness of the worst sorts of hideous, merciless adolescents there are it has to be repeated at least fifty times. Now, I don't want to insult your intelligence by telling you the following fifty times, but Ableton likes doctoring evidence and classification systems and making lousy generalizations to support small-minded, preconceived views, which puts it somewhere between a selfish scatterbrain and a sophomoric bugger on the frotteurism org chart. Ableton's words are worse than the Black Death of olden times. That's all I have to say. Thank you for reading this letter.

didn't read it, Lol!

You would have wasted your time. He's very good in copy-paste, find-replace..

[Tone Deft]

Through this letter, I intend to serve as a facilitator who will help you draw your own conclusions about Hon. Zig Q Zag II. That is, I'll be your "guide on the side", not a "sage on the stage". With my assistance, you'll soon gain a deep understanding of how I like to throw darts at Hon. Zag's picture. Those readers of brittle disposition might do well to await a ride on the next emotionally indulgent transport; this one is scheduled nonstop over rocky roads. As soon as you're strapped in I'll announce something to the effect of how Hon. Zag has two imperatives. The first is to exhibit a deep disdain for all people who are not barbaric busybodies. The second imperative is to burn his adversaries at the stake.

What I think—and I'm no specialist—is that I am interested in facts, not in paregoric for Hon. Zag's adulators. That's self-evident, and even Hon. Zag would probably agree with me on that. Even so, we must assert ourselves as champions of freedom and fight for our freedom of speech. But let's not lose sight of the larger, more important issue here: his larcenous solutions. He claims to be supportive of my plan to champion the poor and oppressed against the evil of Zig Q Zag. Don't trust him, though; he's a wolf in sheep's clothing. Before you know it, he'll instill a subconscious feeling of guilt in those of us who disagree with his epithets. Not only that, but Hon. Zag is the embodiment of everything petty in our lives. Every grievance, every envy, every impolitic ideology finds expression in Zig Q Zag.

Someone needs to improve the living conditions of the most vulnerable in our society—the sick, the old, the disabled, the unemployed, and our youth—all of whose lives are made miserable by Zig Q Zag. Who's going to do it? Hon. Zag? I think not.

If Hon. Zag can't cite the basis for his claim that he is the arbiter of all things then he should just shut up about it. From the very beginning, the most silly evildoers I've ever seen have labored to recruit into their ranks the sons and daughters of the powerful, famous, and rich, which is another way of saying that he has been making a ham-handed effort to show that the average working-class person can't see through his chicanery. I'm guessing that most people are starting to realize that such claims are a distortion of the truth and that we desperately need to combat these lies by resolving our disputes without violence.

Hon. Zag's animadversions are built on lies, and they depend on make-believe for their continuation. Hon. Zag's holier-than-thou attitudes have an unsavory historical track record. People have commented that there may be a gap in my logic there. I don't think there is, and I've gone to great pains to explain why. I don't believe I violate any confidences when I assert that Hon. Zag thinks I'm trying to say that taxpayers are a magic purse that never runs out of gold. Wait! I just heard something. Oh, never mind; it's just the sound of the point zooming way over Hon. Zag's head.

Here, I am merely trying to advance the opinion that Hon. Zag says that he has his moral compass in tact. That's his unvarying story, and it's a lie: an extremely cold-blooded and small-minded lie. Unfortunately, it's a lie that is accepted unquestioningly, uncritically, by Hon. Zag's bedfellows. I hate to say this, but many members of his little empire believe that it's okay to construct the spectre of a terrible armed threat. Even worse, almost all of his zealots believe that if Hon. Zag kicks us in the teeth we'll then lick his toes and beg for another kick. (One would think that the mammalian brain could do better than that, but apparently not.) My point is that Hon. Zag is still going around insisting that he's an expert on everything from aardvarks to zymurgy. Jeez, I thought I had made it perfectly clear to him that he attributes the most distorted, bizarre, and ludicrous "meanings" to ordinary personality characteristics. For example, if you're shy, Hon. Zag calls you "fearful and withdrawn". If, instead, you're the outgoing and active type, he says you're "acting out due to trauma". Why does Hon. Zag say such things? The answer is obvious if you understand that we must rise to the challenge of thwarting Hon. Zag's immature plans. Our children depend on that.

Hon. Zag's hypocrisy is transparent. Even the least discerning among us can see right through it. For all of the foregoing reasons, I can confidently claim that if five years ago I had described a person like Hon. Zag to you and told you that in five years he'd purge the land of every non-perverted person, gene, idea, and influence, you'd have thought me inconsiderate. You'd have laughed at me and told me it couldn't happen. So it is useful now to note that, first, it has happened and, second, to try to understand how it happened and how many innocent people are being manipulated into parlaying personal and political conspiracy theories into a multimillion-dollar financial empire by the most sickening display of rummy, unrestrained cant that I have ever witnessed in my entire life. Almost everyone will wholeheartedly agree that the vitally important thing for all people to know is that on that basis, I should, at this point, lend support to the thesis that he is doing the very thing for which he criticizes others, but his agendas are not just about scapegoatism but also about escapism. So what's the connection between that and his words? The connection is that we are observing the change in our society's philosophy and values from freedom and justice to corruption, decay, cynicism, and injustice. All of these "values" are artistically incorporated in one person: Zig Q Zag.

Why is Hon. Zag stonewalling on issues in which taxpayers see a vital public interest? He says he's doing it for some worthy cause. In reality, Hon. Zag is doing it because I correctly predicted that he would promote, foster, and institute boosterism. Alas, I didn't think he'd do that so effectively—or so soon.

If Hon. Zag truly wanted to be helpful, he wouldn't annihilate a person's personality, individuality, will, and character. He says that children should get into cars with strangers who wave lots of yummy candy at them. If that's the limit of Hon. Zag's perception, acumen, and intelligence, then God help him. Some people have indicated that thanks to Hon. Zag, our national and individual sovereignty is fluttering precariously in the wind. I can neither confirm nor deny that statement, but I can say that I, speaking as someone who is not a scornful braggart, yearn for a time when anyone with a heart and a brain can create a world in which Comstockism, exclusionism, and McCarthyism are all but forgotten. In the presence of high heaven and before the civilized world I therefore assert that Hon. Zag complains a lot. What's ironic, though, is that he hasn't made even a single concrete suggestion for improvement or identified a single problem with the system as it exists today.

If I try really, really hard, I can almost see why Hon. Zag would want to twist the history, sociology, and anthropology disseminated by our mass media and in our children's textbooks. Some people I know say that the only way for him to redeem himself is to stop being so obtuse. Others argue that it is up to each of us to create and nurture a true spirit of community. At this point the distinction is largely academic given that I am declaring open season on reckless saboteurs like him who engulf the world in a dense miasma of collectivism. Hon. Zag's cringers probably don't realize that because it's not mentioned in the funny papers or in the movies. Nevertheless, sometime in the future he will scapegoat easy, unpopular targets, thereby diverting responsibility from more culpable parties. Fortunately, that hasn't happened...yet. But it will definitely happen if we don't embrace the cause of self-determination and recognize the leading role and clearer understanding of those people for whom the quintessential struggle is an encompassing liberation movement against the totality of allotheism while remaining true to those beliefs, ideals, and aspirations we hold most dear. Before you read this letter, you might have thought that Hon. Zig Q Zag II is clean and bright and pure inside. Now you know that Hon. Zag bases his platitudes on the belief that the moon is made of green cheese.


google "rant generator"

[beats me]

I think (some) people would be less pissed on here if supporting Ableton didn’t feel like such an expensive venture compared to other DAW developers.

It's not if you don't buy all the third party embedded plug ins. The only things in Suite I know of that are made by Ableton are Operator and Sampler. The rest is third party, which means Ableton has to share a percentage of sales with other companies. They likely cut their own profit out of the "buy Ableton Suite and get Max for Live" deal, but they can't cut out the (my guess) $200 they pay to Cycling 74 every time they sell M4L.

As far as their embedded plug ins go Ableton have put themselves into a situation IMO where they can't give deep pocket discounts, and buggy new versions of Max for Live will cause issues they'll have to wait for Cycling 74 to solve... it's not what I would have done, it was risky IMO, but I'm not complaining about things I see as out of of Abletons control, like their ability to give deep discounts to 'their' customers on M4L which is a Cycling 74 product produced for Ableton, not an Ableton product.

People who knew about Cycling 74 and Max/MSP, maybe owned it or wanted it etc. who own M4L aren't complaining, it's people who see it as something like Kore for Live!

I probably shouldn’t have gotten involved in this thread because I’m not that passionate about it one way or the other, but you know me.

It is kind of funny though with some of the “but, But, BUT!” sense of entitlement responses from some members here. I can only imagine this is coming from hardcore users who have already done everything and anything possible with whatever version of Live they have with whatever plug-ins they have and they absolutely NEED whatever Ableton is now giving away for free to further their already vast wealth of knowledge and capabilities.

I have suite but I couldn’t tell you the last time I used a device that is suite only. I don’t regret getting suite but I think in the future I won’t go for whatever extras Ableton will be charging more for….and I also won’t be pissed if they give them away on some deal I don’t qualify for.

[LoopStationZebra]

Runtime, please.

Thank You.

:x

[remute99]

It is kind of funny though with some of the “but, But, BUT!” sense of entitlement responses from some members here. I can only imagine this is coming from hardcore users who have already done everything and anything possible with whatever version of Live they have with whatever plug-ins they have and they absolutely NEED whatever Ableton is now giving away for free to further their already vast wealth of knowledge and capabilities.

I have suite but I couldn’t tell you the last time I used a device that is suite only. I don’t regret getting suite but I think in the future I won’t go for whatever extras Ableton will be charging more for….and I also won’t be pissed if they give them away on some deal I don’t qualify for.

Wow, the humility coming off of this post is breathtaking.

[Machinesworking]

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[/img]

Runtime, please.

Thank You.

Don't hold your breath.
Maybe a paid version, but I kinda doubt it.
It's not cheap running a business and a "runtime version" at $100 wouldn't barely cover the cost of one employee for one day.
Max/MSP and M4L has got to be 95% of Cycling 74's income, it's a beast and IMO meant for people who don't mind getting their hands dirty.

[Tweaking Knobs]

^YEAH!!

I CHANGE MY VOTE, I'M MAD AS HELL!!!

My religion has taught me not to be afraid to call someone wrong when it does something, says something, stands for something, or engages in something that violates the values in which I believe. In the text that follows, I won't bother discussing the flaws in Ableton's logic because it surely doesn't use any logic. Who else but Ableton would have the brass to make us the helpless puppets of our demographic labels? No one. And where does that brass come from? It comes from a sure knowledge that it can retreat into its "victim" status if anyone calls it to account.

Ableton is typical of stuporous quacks in its wild invocations to the irrational, the magic, and the fantastic to dramatize its hijinks. Let us not sink to Ableton's level. Let us combat adversarialism by exercising our right to speak out, to denounce Ableton's bait-and-switch tactics as totally unrepresentative of the values of this society.

Ableton's goal is to undermine liberty in the name of liberty. The toll in human suffering and the loss of innocent lives that will ensue are clearly nonissues for it. I unequivocally reject Ableton's demands. And if that seems like a modest claim, I disagree. It's the most radical claim of all.

A central fault line runs through each of Ableton's roorbacks. Specifically, Ableton believes that the sky is falling. Unfortunately, as long as it believes such absurdities, it will continue to commit atrocities. Ableton's innate love of unilateralism occasionally shows through its mask of anti-unilateralism. It vehemently denies that, of course. But it obviously would because every time it gets caught trying to suppress all news that portrays it in a bad light, it promises it'll never do so again. Subsequently, its habitués always jump in and explain that it really shouldn't be blamed even if it does because, as they profess, the peak of fashion is to tinker about with a lot of halfway prescriptions.

In a similar vein, there are two sorts of people in this world. There are those who sweep Ableton's peccadillos under the rug, and there are those who free people from the spell of oligarchism that it has cast over them. Ableton fits neatly into the former category, of course. Ableton is thoroughly gung-ho about absenteeism because it lacks more pressing soapbox issues.

Anything may happen if Ableton is able to peonize and enslave its opponents. Scabrous fomenters of revolution may lash out at everyone and everything in sight. Irascible scofflaws may cheat on taxes. And careless, wicked dopeheads may deny that the academicism "debate" is not a debate. It is a harangue, a politically motivated, brilliantly publicized, featherbrained attack on progressive ideas.

Don't be intimidated by Ableton's threat to authorize, promote, celebrate, and legitimize pugnacious parasitism. It may be obvious but should nonetheless be acknowledged that Ableton certainly believes that it acts in the name of equality and social justice. Unfortunately for it, that's all in its imagination. Ableton needs to get out of that fictional world and get back to reality, where people can see that it always cavils at my attempts to maintain social tranquillity. That's probably because I know some sinister marauders who actually believe that newspapers should report only on items Ableton agrees with. Incredible? Those same people have told me that the sun rises just for it. With such people roaming about, it should come as no surprise to you that Ableton wants us to believe that we can solve all of our problems by giving it lots of money. We might as well toss that money down a well because we'll never see it again. What we will see, however, is that my position is that Ableton's "fund a vast web of sadistic lunkheads, morally crippled, petulant wimps, and the worst types of contentious yo-yos there are" mentality is so pervasive that I feel like I'm going to languish in prison on trumped-up charges. Ableton, in contrast, argues that emotionalism resonates with the body's natural alpha waves. This disagreement merely scratches the surface of the ideological chasm festering between me and Ableton. The only rational way to bridge this chasm is for it to admit that it believes that it is everyone's obligation to attack the very fabric of this nation. That view is anathema to the cause of liberty. If it is not loudly refuted our future will be dire indeed.

Ableton and its coadjutors are the worst kinds of craven, backwards vigilantes there are. This is not set down in complaint against them but merely as analysis. Ableton's morals sound so noble, but in fact Ableton is like a stray pigeon. Pigeons are too self-absorbed to care about anyone else. They poo on people they don't like; they poo on people they don't even know. The only real difference between Ableton and a pigeon is that Ableton intends to regiment the public mind as much as an army regiments the bodies of its soldiers. That's why on a television program last night I heard one of this country's top scientists conclude that, "What our nation needs is more respect for the law, not less." That's exactly what I have so frequently argued, and I am pleased to have my view confirmed by so eminent an individual.

If I understand Ableton's tracts correctly, then Ableton is the hands-down, flat-out, bar-none most cankered renegade I have ever seen. Am I being too harsh for writing that? Maybe I am, but that's really the only way you can push a point through to Ableton. Abusive, brassbound provincials serve as the priests in Ableton's cult of contumelious, patronizing masochism. These "priests" spend their days basking in Ableton's reflected glory, pausing only when Ableton instructs them to rally for a cause that is completely void of moral, ethical, or legal validity. What could be more bumptious? To help answer that question I will offer a single anecdote. A few weeks ago, I overheard some callous stool pigeon tell everyone who passed by that Ableton never engages in disgusting, foolhardy, or revolting politics. Astounded, I asked this person if he realized that I have had enough of Ableton's stolid wisecracks. Not only was his answer "no", but it was also news to him that Ableton recently stated that shrewish wheeler-dealers make the best scoutmasters and schoolteachers. It said that with a straight face, without even cracking a smile or suppressing a giggle. It said it as if it meant it. That's scary because it decries or dismisses capitalism, technology, industrialization, and systems of government borne of Enlightenment ideas about the dignity and freedom of human beings. These are the things that Ableton fears because they are wedded to individual initiative and responsibility.

Ableton keeps saying that I and others who think it's a maladroit dunderhead are secretly using etheric attachment cords to drain people's karmic energy. This is exemplary of the nonsensical rhetoric and scaremongering that typifies the language of inconsiderate philosophasters and other unenlightened pissants. The implications of villainous, ridiculous mercantalism may seem theoretical, but they have concrete meaning for thousands of people. Ableton may find it inconceivable that for all its bombast about freedom, liberty, and tolerance, it still wants to replace Robert's Rules of Order with "facilitated consensus building" at all important meetings, but it'll come to its senses one day. To get even the simplest message into the consciousness of the worst sorts of hideous, merciless adolescents there are it has to be repeated at least fifty times. Now, I don't want to insult your intelligence by telling you the following fifty times, but Ableton likes doctoring evidence and classification systems and making lousy generalizations to support small-minded, preconceived views, which puts it somewhere between a selfish scatterbrain and a sophomoric bugger on the frotteurism org chart. Ableton's words are worse than the Black Death of olden times. That's all I have to say. Thank you for reading this letter.

didn't read it, Lol!

me neither ! lol

[delicioso]

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Runtime, please.

Thank You.

Don't hold your breath.
Maybe a paid version, but I kinda doubt it.
It's not cheap running a business and a "runtime version" at $100 wouldn't barely cover the cost of one employee for one day.
Max/MSP and M4L has got to be 95% of Cycling 74's income, it's a beast and IMO meant for people who don't mind getting their hands dirty.

Maybe they can learn from NI's business model? They seem to be running a successful business while also having a free "runtime version" of Reaktor.

[Khazul]

[img]

[/img]

Runtime, please.

Thank You.

Don't hold your breath.
Maybe a paid version, but I kinda doubt it.
It's not cheap running a business and a "runtime version" at $100 wouldn't barely cover the cost of one employee for one day.
Max/MSP and M4L has got to be 95% of Cycling 74's income, it's a beast and IMO meant for people who don't mind getting their hands dirty.

Maybe they can learn from NI's business model? They seem to be running a successful business while also having a free "runtime version" of Reaktor.

I think they have more monkeys on the job...